User talk:TheSoundAndTheFury

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Your recent edits

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Thanks.--TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 15:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Your question about refs

A good method is simply to write <ref>Smith, John. Name of Book, Publisher 2010, p. 1.</ref> Or for a newspaper article, <ref>Stratton, Allegra. [http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/17/labour-rebrand-lambeth-john-lewis-council Labour to rebrand Lambeth as 'John Lewis' council], ''The Guardian'', February 17, 2010.</ref> The latter ends up as

If you know you're going to use them multiple times in the same article, add ref names to them, <ref name=Smithp1>Smith, John. Name of Book, Publisher 2010, p. 1.'''<ref> and thereafter all you need to write is <ref name=Smithp1/>. Hope this helps. SlimVirgin ^{TALK contribs} 05:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not allowed to edit your discussion page, apparently. This method seems nice and quick. However, when there are books, it may get more complicated. In most academic texts I read there are footnotes then a bibliography. Sometimes the footnotes give the full bibliographical information on the first mention. With the method you suggest, if in later references to the same footnote you just put <ref name=Smithp1/>, does that preclude being able to add other relevant information, such as an excerpt of the part referred to, or a page number, or a note about the background or credibility of the source? If it's a book, it will be referred to many times, right? Each time needs the page, I would think. Do you know what I mean?--TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 08:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, if you want to add more information each time, you can't use ref name. But you don't have to keep repeating the full ref. You can either write it out in full the first time, then thereafter "Smith 2010, p. 1", or you can always use the shortened form in the text, and place the full citation in a References section. See the Notes and References sections in Muhammad al-Durrah incident as an example. SlimVirgin ^{TALK contribs} 10:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

By the way, do you have any advice for a fast-track way to learn the intricacies of Wikipedia in a short space of time? Is there a mentoring system, or some organised way to get more experienced editors to check your work and give you feedback? --TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 09:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

There are mentors, but I know nothing about them. There might be useful information at Wikipedia:Mentorship. SlimVirgin ^{TALK contribs} 10:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much. --TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 06:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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I will be more thank happy to adopt you.

Hello TheSoundAndTheFury, I am Aaron Reis A.K.A. clarince63. I am heavely involved in the Counter-Vandalism Unit on wikipedia. I am fairly experienced on wikipedia and I will be more than glad to help you out on wikipedia. Respond on my talk page if you would like for me to adopt you or not, thank you. --Clarince63 (talk) 14:56, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I am glad that you want me to adopt you and the thing that you said about learning from others mistakes and not making them yourself, I thought that was very smart. I will be more than delighted to teach you everything that I know about wikipedia, editing pages, and more importatly article creation. Anyway do you think it would be possible for us to communicate through email, the reason for that it is much better and it is is faster. Could you give me your email and I will add you to my contacts. --Clarince63 (talk) 15:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

By the way, what's the etiquette for where one should respond? On the user talk page where the comment was first made? I'm not sure if there is a community expectation on this matter. --TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 15:36, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

please do me the courtesy of a reply

I wish you had named it Yijing. It took me quite some time respond to your post, please do me the courtesy of a reply on the talk page for Book of Changes. Thank you—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 20:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello. You have a new message at Machine Elf 1735's talk page. Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 00:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I sent you an email

Hello and good day! I just wanted to make sure that you got my email, because I sent it a couple of days ago, to see it log into your email and it should be there. --Clarince63 (talk) 10:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

You have a reply to your message

Hi, I wanted to make sure you noticed the whisper back tag that indicates you should check the other user's talk page for the reply. Hello. You have a new message at Machine Elf 1735's talk page. Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 14:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello. You have a new message at Machine_Elf_1735's talk page.—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 22:04, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Derrida

I am hesitant only because my knowledge of that page is limited, however feel free to direct me to your edits and I will be glad to give you my opinionCoffeepusher (talk) 16:40, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Mentoring

I'm not sure what this involves, but fell free to ask me for advice.--Grahame (talk) 10:07, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Zhang Baosheng

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Please do not delete this page. He is a notable figure of the qigong milieu. I will place the "hangon" tag now and work at expanding the information in the document. Thank you. --TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 01:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Post...

While I am not tied to either idea, you better make sure they are the same concept (there may be some changes in meaning if you turn it over, not sure though). The best check is to see who is using the phrase. Is there a consensus among recognized scholars as opposed to popular usage? how is it formated when used specifically with Foucault? just my 2 cents.Coffeepusher (talk) 02:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

OK. I will do a bit more searching. They mean the same thing, it's just a question of whether there should or should not be a hyphen in the term. --TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 03:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

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re:Thanks

lol :-) No problem. -Classicfilms (talk) 04:27, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Courage

I just noticed that you have started editing Falun Gong articles. Shame our paths didn't cross earlier, or we might have made a formidable team. Je te souhaite bon courage! Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

New Arbitration Enforcement case: Dilip rajeev

Kindly note the WP:AE case above has just been filed. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 05:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the notices. You could say I am just dipping my toe in the water of the FLG-verse for now. Trying to keep clear of logomachy. I hope the proceedings above yield a positive result for the project. And what you write about Ms. Ching Hai is insightful, too - I thought much the same and deleted Rick Ross right off the page.--TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 14:32, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Improving your article

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Thanks a lot. Responded on your discussion page. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 15:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Xu Mingtang

I've noticed several problems with the article, as most of the article content was sourced directly from their website. I think the "image medicine" sections, with claims about curing Hepatitis and Diabetes, really sound suspicious.--PCPP (talk) 05:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

The subject appears to be non-notable. I am currently finding out how to have the article deleted. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 09:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I tried to delete it but don't know if I did it properly. If you know about this, please take a look. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 10:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

If you want to generate an immediate deletion discussion, use the template here here--PCPP (talk) 10:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 10:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

History of Falungong

TheSoundAndTheFury, please consider finding some time to look at the History of Falun Gong article. A (partisan) editor raised some concerns about the content. I wrote a response and examined the page. I noticed the thorough research you did for the Falungong article, and I think that perhaps the History page would benefit from a magnifying glass on certain points. There is more on the discussion page. I'm not comfortable enough with my grasp of the material to deal with some of the issues raised, which is where I thought you could help. Homunculus (strange tales) 14:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

It may have some of the problems of inaccurately researched information as the main page. I will certainly read the article and make changes later. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 08:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you think it's a good idea to merge the contents of the History of FLG article with the Persecution of FLG article?--PCPP (talk) 13:30, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think it's so much of a good idea. The article would be too long. They're sufficiently separate topics, too. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 02:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Human rights in Tibet

I noticed your contributions to the Falun Gong articles; I wonder if you are also interested in HR issues in Tibet. I have recently created the article and listed many sources on the discussion page. Feel free to work on the article. Zujine (talk) 02:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised this article didn't exist before. When I get some time I would love to work on that. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 08:26, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Please have a look and give some comments:User:Arilang1234/Comparison between written English and written Chinese Draft Arilang ^talk 06:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

When I get some time I will take a look. That's not my exact area of expertise, but I could help on copyediting or structure. It is an interesting subject area. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 02:30, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Have you stopped editing? I thought you added a welcome perspective to the Falun Gong issue. Not that I necessarily agree with all your edits, but you attempted balance at least. It would be a loss to the articles for informed and balanced editors to leave them. --Asdfg12345 13:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Philosophy archive talk

Regarding your edit to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philosophy/Archive 11, you probably will want to start a new secition at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philosophy referencing the archived discussion. Archive pages aren't supposed to change, or not much. -Colfer2 (talk) 19:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Organ transplantation in the People's Republic of China

I have posted a GA reassessment at Talk:Organ transplantation in the People's Republic of China. Please feel free to comment. Axl ¤ [Talk] 09:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, though this should be a community thing, right? I will spend a bit more time looking at the available information. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 14:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Please comment here. Axl ¤ [Talk] 08:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Have done so. This is separate from assessing the content or merits of the article, though. I think the article is quite good. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 01:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

New Criterion

Upon looking more closely, I agree with you - New Criterion is a reliable source, at least as we use the term here. I have to say, though, that as a piece of scholarship (as opposed to a polemic) the piece cited is thoroughly bad. Although the authors may be "perspicacious", their evidence seems to consist of a highly selective interpretation of a cherrypicking of events at a conference which they freely admit they have little interest in. The writing is tendentious and plays to the worst prejudices of its audience. I do not believe it is attempting to find truth, rather to find fault only.

My field is not language and literature (nor am I American), and I have no particular interest in either the MLA or any external viewpoints of it. I will leave the paragraph to stand on the basis that it's properly cited, only slightly editing it to reflect that it is the opinion of the New Citation's writers, and not a universally accepted truth.

Regards, Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom Harris (talk • contribs) 15:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it must be made clear that it is simply strong opinion on the MLA. Incidentally, I find what Kimball and Kramer are critiquing to be several times more offensive than the style they adopt to carry out the critique. The Chinese have a saying: "When talking to dogs, use dog talk." The Sound and the Fury (talk) 21:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Social constructionism

Social theory is already linked to in Template:Sociology (Theory), but maybe I'm being a nitpick :) --Wikiloop (talk) 18:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Accepted. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 20:02, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

History of Falun Gong

I have updated the History of Falun Gong page per our previous discussion on its utility. Should you feel so inclined, your thoughts on these changes would be appreciated. —Zujine|talk 05:39, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I've been terribly busy for the last several months. It's great to see stuff happening on the pages. I would indeed like to contribute. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 01:29, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in a study

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Thanks. I'll think about it. Why me? The Sound and the Fury (talk) 02:10, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Modest Barnstar
		Thanks for your recent contributions! -Mike Restivo (talk) 19:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Good User Name

Best American Modernist Novel. Bloomingdedalus (talk) 20:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, _one_ of the best! The Sound and the Fury (talk) 00:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

It is one of the best, it's also the best! Which did you have in mind that would give it a running? Absolom? East of Eden? Golden Apples? Eh, not one I can think of I liked more. Bloomingdedalus (talk) 01:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Qigong article

When you get a chance could you please see how you feel the Qigong article is progressing? I have tried to provide solid structure, clean neutral text, and reputable references. Vitalforce (talk) 13:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I apologize. I was all gung-ho but then real life crept up on me. I think it needs more history and background in the main page, to have proper context and so forth. If I spend 30 minutes on it every couple of days, we should make progress. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 20:02, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good! Please look at at the separate Qigong history article and the brief excerpts on the Talk:Qigong page. Perhaps you could also offer your assessment of the article's neutrality. Thanks, Vitalforce (talk) 23:06, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I've expanded the history section of the main qigong article a bit. Please let me know what you think. Vitalforce (talk) 01:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me. Yes, i will look this week. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 03:05, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I look forward to receiving your opinion. Vitalforce (talk) 13:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution

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I thought you might like this

Ian Buruma on reading Zhang Xianliang's Grass Soup:[1]

Zhang describes [forced labor's] effect on intellectuals, who, often useless at hard physical tasks, were the most despised prisoners in the labour camps. In the more cerebral work of denunciation and ideological hair-splitting, however, the intellectuals came to the fore and it was the peasants and common criminals who were out of their depth during these sessions. They failed to understand that everything, literally everything, was political.

A peasant named Su Xiaosu was punished for picking up and eating a discarded ear of corn. His excuse for this crime - hunger - was not good enough; what was his thinking behind it? He must have been aiming 'to blacken the name of socialism'.... "'Peasants did not understand a socialism that told people to endure famine. They were even less able to understand what socialist slogans had to do with gnawing an ear of corn. They would blink their tiny eyes furiously as they begged for mercy. 'I'll work harder from now on, from now on I'll work much harder . . . ]

Regards, Homunculus (duihua) 20:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I read Zhang's book. It is grim. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 20:28, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Bhagavad Gita

see talk page. CO2Northeast (talk) 05:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

see talk page again. CO2Northeast (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

glad it's resolved. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Editor adding all sorts of Shaman stuff to Shramana article

Editor adding all sorts of Shaman stuff to Shramana article in the "Etymology and Origin" section. Can you do something about it?SaibAbaVenkatesh (talk) 01:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC) Not sure why I was tagged? The Sound and the Fury (talk) 16:24, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Can you take care of this?

I am not sure if you've kept up with the editing behavior of 220.245.207.26. For my part, I've issued several warnings, and user's slow-motion edit war has exhausted my patience. I was planning on pursuing sanctions, but am supposed to be going out of town. Can you take care of this? If not, I'll get to it in a couple days. Homunculus (duihua) 07:39, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

re: NPA

My statement on the Bo Xilai page was a didactic reminder that Homunculus should not cast aspersions, such as he did in the same breath of discussing my edits. ("I'm seriously tired of editors (always the same ones) deleting credible reports of human rights abuses.") In context, it was no more of an attack than your indirectly calling me a 'paid Communist Party agent, or a "50 center"' on my talk page.

Furthermore, like Homunculus, who assumed that I was speaking about the IP that apparently added the disputed material, you are wrong to assume that I was speaking about Homunculus himself in my example. My post specifically linked to a section where User:Asdfg12345, a banned activist and self-identified FLG practitioner, defended the sort of edits of which I said I tire.

Considering your behavior across the Falun Gong namespace, I don't think anything I say can dissuade you from gathering diffs and presenting them to AE or ANI, as you threaten. I regret the battleground mentality in this area and don't share it. Shrigley (talk) 21:38, 23 March 2012 (UTC)