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:::::“[A]nyone who's not on the far right (or whatever the preferred term is) is obviously a commie” - funny, I never defended an extreme right antisemitic homophobic party, unlike one Polish user, nor ever supported an avowedly far-right politician. And to accuse Marek of being a commie never came to my mind. He's rather on the other end of the spectrum. [[User:Estlandia|Estlandia (Miacek)]] [[User talk:Estlandia|(dialogue)]] 14:21, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
:::::“[A]nyone who's not on the far right (or whatever the preferred term is) is obviously a commie” - funny, I never defended an extreme right antisemitic homophobic party, unlike one Polish user, nor ever supported an avowedly far-right politician. And to accuse Marek of being a commie never came to my mind. He's rather on the other end of the spectrum. [[User:Estlandia|Estlandia (Miacek)]] [[User talk:Estlandia|(dialogue)]] 14:21, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::You're a dishonest idiot.[[User:Volunteer Marek|<font color="Orange">Volunteer</font><font color="Blue">Marek</font>]] 19:06, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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With regard to this, I would like to assure that I am not taking any sides here. Speaking about Malick, he does not do any "anti-Russian" edits, not even remotely, at least from the point of view of someone who really knows these subjects. He supported completely wrong (I believe) arguments by Paul on AE. He did it in a highly partisan fashion, by bringing irrelevant issues to discussion, commenting in my section, and reverting my edits in my section. He recently proposed me to contact with him by email, and it's great that I politely refused his offer. Yes, indeed I tried to help him (and you) by providing some reasonable advice. But I am not taking and will not take any sides. Good luck, My very best wishes (talk) 13:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Debt-based monetary system

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Debt-based monetary system, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! KTC (talk) 00:48, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, thanks.VolunteerMarek 00:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AK and Red Army

Hi, VM.
Can you have a look at this photo? Don't you find strange that the Red Army solders and Armija Krajova solders are marching together? It seems to me that AK was more an opponent of the Red Army then an ally. It seems to me that the caption is wrong, and some other Polish military are shown on the picture. Could you please either chack that by yourself or ask someone who knows Polish history better?--Paul Siebert (talk) 18:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The "AK was more an opponent of the Red Army then an ally" is true but it is also a generalization. In particular, AK and the Red Army did cooperate/coordinate in numerous instances and in particular in the liberation of/attack on Wilno, which is where this photo comes from. See Operation_Ostra_Brama#Fights_in_cooperation_with_the_Red_Army (that article could most certainly use citations but it gets it essentially correct). Now, after the fighting was over the Soviets did arrest the Polish officers but that wasn't until the 17th or so. This photo says it's from the 12th so at that point AK and Soviet soldiers happily patrolling together makes some sense (another potential issue is that the relations between individual soldiers of the two formations could be quite different from "official" attitudes at the higher levels).VolunteerMarek 01:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, any particular issue which made you notice it? VolunteerMarek 01:29, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Good. I didn't know about any cooperation between AK and the Soviets. I thought they never cooperated, and the caption is a mistake. Thank you for explanation.
No particular issues. I noticed this caption and found it to contradict to what I know about the AK history. However, if you are sure that there was some cooperation I have no reason not to believe you.--Paul Siebert (talk) 01:37, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PS. BTW, what you say is a very interesting and unusual. Surprisingly the WP article about AK contains no such information. Maybe, we need to update the Armija Krajova article, and to add this photo there?--Paul Siebert (talk) 01:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'll look through the AK article again, but basically right after Operation Tempest (which Operation Ostra Brama was a part of) (August-September 1944) is when the relations more or less went from "suspicious but cooperative" to essentially hostile, mostly due to mass arrests of AK (higher) officers and the enforced conscription of lower officers and regular AK soldiers into Berling's Army or the Second Army (Poland) by the Soviets (on occasion AK soldiers joined the Soviet controlled armies "voluntarily" - it's how me granddad wound up fighting for/near Berlin).
The photo would be useful in the Operation Ostra Brama article, though NPOV would require that the caption explains that this was pre-arrest of Polish officers.
Also, one thing to keep in mind that before August-September 1944 the relations between Soviet partisans and AK varied widely by region. They were worst in present day Lithuania and northern Belarus, mixed but generally ok in Ukraine (where Poles were more fearful of UPA and had a small presence anyway).
I also see someone added some POV stuff to the AK article on the relations with the Soviets.VolunteerMarek 01:54, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, for other examples of Soviet-AK cooperation see my old article Battle of Porytowe Wzgórze as well as Battle of Osuchy. The 27th Volhynian AK division was also involved in several actions in cooperation with the Red Army, though that article's a bit sparse on that.VolunteerMarek 02:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. The only thing I can add to that is the following. If the photo we discuss is relevant to the Eastern Front article, it seems to be even more relevant to the article about AK. In this situation I speak on behalf of an ordinary reader (I have no specific knowledge in this area, so I can be considered as an ordinary reader), and, being an ordinary reader, I went from the Eastern Front article to the AK article, and I didn't find this photo there. As a result, my first hypothesis was that there was a mistake, and that in actuality the Polish military on the photo were some pro-Soviet Polish troops. Had I found this photo on the AK page, no such questions would appear.--Paul Siebert (talk) 05:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Business and Economics Barnstar

I'ld like to present to you this long overdue award:

The Business and Economics Barnstar
For your tireless efforts to improve the quality of banking articles on Wikipedia. LK (talk) 04:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Much appreciated. VolunteerMarek 23:18, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting

See http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Journal_%28A_peer-review_journal_to_allow/encourage_academics_to_write_Wikipedia_articles --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:41, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gdańsk

Hi, I have mentioned your revert at User talk:Dohn joe, you may wish to comment. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:08, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Thanks for participating in my RFA! I appreciate your support. Zagalejo^^^ 06:11, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maus GA

HI! Thanks for the encouraging words. I intend to put Maus up for FA review soon, so if you have any input before I do, it would be greatly appreciated. CüRlyTüRkeyTalkContribs 07:05, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shame on you!

Talking sense, especially on an Arbcom page, is one of the Things For Which Wikipedia Is Not. Don't do it again. pablo 09:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That was an impressive rant. And it made a lot of sense. I was wondering briefly why I was left off the list, then I realised you must have written it before seeing that I had posted. Given that I posted there a second time, I think I should now be on that list... Carcharoth (talk) 05:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Holy cow that was a great rant. Hats off to you. --NeilN talk to me 16:20, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

request for comment

i would like you to comment on this thread on my talk page please. [1]-- altetendekrabbe  12:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Debt-based monetary system

Based on the recent additions to the article, I'ld like to suggest a withdrawal of the AfD nomination for Debt-based monetary system. The current version appears to me to be POV free and notable. rgds, LK (talk) 08:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm just not seeing enough in that source to support the existence of this article. The text currently in it could be included in History of money, except it's mostly already there and in terms of monetary theories it's a bit fring-y, so undue needs to be observed. And gawd, that History of money article is a mess. I can't tell if it's due to vandalism or just plain ol' atrocious writing.VolunteerMarek 13:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also waiting for a response from Carrite to see if he's got any other sources.VolunteerMarek 13:25, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
you did a great job exposing the tag-teamers. wikipedia needs more excellent editors like you.  altetendekrabbe  02:29, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Искореним шпионов и диверсантов, троцкистско-бухаринских агентов фашизма! [2]. Estlandia (Miacek) (dialogue) 09:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
i dunno russian but is this a threat?-- altetendekrabbe  09:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how to take it. I think Miacek is accusing me of being a Stalinist. Because, you know, anyone who's not on the far right (or whatever the preferred term is) is obviously a commie.VolunteerMarek 11:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Translation: "Eradicate spies and saboteurs, the Trotskyite-Bukharin agents of fascism". He accused you of paranoia and scapegoating. -- Frotz(talk) 12:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know what it means. I think my original interpretation was correct.VolunteerMarek 12:08, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
“[A]nyone who's not on the far right (or whatever the preferred term is) is obviously a commie” - funny, I never defended an extreme right antisemitic homophobic party, unlike one Polish user, nor ever supported an avowedly far-right politician. And to accuse Marek of being a commie never came to my mind. He's rather on the other end of the spectrum. Estlandia (Miacek) (dialogue) 14:21, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're a dishonest idiot.VolunteerMarek 19:06, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]