User talk:Wlglunight93

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Given your recent edit, you probably want to add your opinion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#RfC:_Hamas_claims_in_the_infobox — Preceding unsigned comment added by WarKosign (talk • contribs) 10:23, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

history of Israel

About your revert[1] at the history section of Israel- the summary is very poor and misses basic facts of Israeli history. It doesn't reflect the history of Israel properly. Please see other countries articles and notice how the history section is relatively detailed. About the copy-paste, what's the problem? I imported basic relevant data from related articles. whatever i could have written myself would have been identical anyway. cheers Infantom (talk) 19:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

be careful while reverting

If someone is edit warring with you it also means you are edit warring with him. It won't matter for the 1RR if you are right or wrong. Be careful and check if any of your edits undo edits by another editor. If yes, consider self-reverting before you are accused of violating the 1RR.

Repeatedly reverting is not the way to handle a POV pusher. Try discussing on the article's or the user's talk page, and if that fails report him. WarKosign (talk) 11:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for your advice.--Wlglunight93 (talk) 11:16, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Israel. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. While edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, breaking the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you.

Keep in mind that Israel is subject to a one-revert rule. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 19:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:ARBPIA notification

Please carefully read this information:

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Template:Z33 Oncenawhile (talk) 20:52, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Wlglunight93, I note you just crossed WP:1RR at the Israel article. To be safe you should self-revert. We can discuss at the article's talk page. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

You have also just breached the rule at Anti-Zionism, another article covered by 1RR. Please revert your edit, and discuss why you insist on this change. RolandR (talk) 21:08, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Anti-Zionism. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.
If you persist in your edit-warring in this and several other articles, you face possible sanctions. RolandR (talk) 00:34, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Operation Defensive Shield

On the question of sources for the victory attribution, I've left an entry on the talk page, [[Talk:Operation_Defensive_Shield#Victory.3F_Discussion_of_Sources.] I hope you will read it and agree with my assessment that the sources are very mixed on this question, and that no consensus exists considering Operation Defensive Shield an Israeli victory. There are indeed sources that consider the operation an Israeli victory, but most sources appear to consider it to have been an operation with complicated outcomes, in which neither side achieved anything resembling victory. It's not enough to show that *some* source declare the operation an Israeli victory. There has to be a broad consensus, or else we are just picking the sources we agree with and disregarding those we disagree with. That being said, the three sources you've given are not of very high caliber. Two are published by pro-Israeli think tanks, and one is an opinion piece in a newspaper. We need a consensus of scholarly sources, not a random assortment of sources picked to say one thing.

As you know, there is a 1RR policy on all articles regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In the spirit of consensus editing, and given the talk page discussion, I think it would be reasonable for you to put the "citation needed" tag back, or even simply to remove the victory attribution altogether. I think it's very clear that any simple statement of "Israeli victory," "Palestinian Authority victory" or "Hamas victory" is not supported by the balance of the sources. -Thucydides411 (talk) 03:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Let's move the discussion to the article's talk page: Talk:Operation_Defensive_Shield#Victory.3F_Discussion_of_Sources. -Thucydides411 (talk) 15:54, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Map question

Hello. I saw a few weeks ago that you added a map from OCHA to the Israel article. The map shows the border with the West Bank, but doesn't mention the Golan Heights at all. Do you perhaps have a source to another map, to replace the current one with a map that mentions the name Golan, or includes it, or shows the border with it? It'll be a more correct map. Thanks Yuvn86 (talk) 20:34, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you. But I didn't find such a map. Perhaps you could upload a map of Israel which includes the Golan to wikicommons.--Wlglunight93 (talk) 07:08, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Gaza War (2008–09)

You reverted my removal of the claim, "Israeli victory," telling me to "read the sources." I did. You cited the following line, from the NY Times article, to support the claim that the war was an Israeli victory:

"In that tactical sense, the war was a victory for Israel and a loss for Hamas."

The very next sentence in that same article reads

"But in the field of public opinion, Hamas took the upper hand."

The war had a complicated outcome. The NY Times does not describe it as an unambiguous Israeli victory. It says that Israel was successful in a particular tactical sense, but that Hamas was successful in a different, political sense. Using this source to label the conflict an Israeli victory is original research. You're taking sources that paint a nuanced picture, and then trying to reason that that nuanced picture amounts to an Israeli victory. That may be your personal opinion, but it's not what Ethan Bronner, the author of that NY Times article, wrote.

I really do expect you to self-revert in this case. It's the only reasonable thing to do, given the sources. -Thucydides411 (talk) 18:17, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

You are clearly twisting the source, which says: "... But in the field of public opinion, Hamas took the upper hand. Its leaders have noted the international condemnation of Israel over allegations of disproportionate force..." It doesn't say it was a Hamas political victory, just that "in the field of public opinion, Hamas took the upper hand."--Wlglunight93 (talk) 18:32, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm just reading the source neutrally. The first sentence says that in one particular sense, the war was a victory for Israel. The very next sentence begins with the word "but," signifying a contradiction, and states that in a different sense, "Hamas took the upper hand." The NY Times is not arguing that any side unambiguously won. The whole point of this passage is to say that the outcome was more complicated than a victory for either side, since in different realms both sides came out on top. "Israeli victory" is simply a misrepresentation of Ethan Bronner's words. I still expect you to self-revert, because I believe that editing should be a constructive process. -Thucydides411 (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Notification

I have reported you at the Arbitration Enforcement Noticeboard for breach of the 1RR policy. RolandR (talk) 21:54, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014

To enforce an arbitration decision, and for violation of the ARBPIA 1RR restriction on the page Gaza flotilla raid, you have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks and then appeal your block using the instructions there. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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My apologies. I hadn't seen your response at AE. Please be more careful in future. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:25, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I will. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.--Wlglunight93 (talk) 22:31, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Your edit on Gaza flotilla page

Your edit. See the first paragraph of the section "One stun grenade was picked up and tossed back into a boat." Kingsindian ♝♚ 10:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

edit-warring +IR

You have just broken the ARBPIA rule on 1R for articles related to the I/P area.

• (1) here
• (2) here, which was, worse still, an automatic revert of another editor on sight, without examining the edit, which was a compromise
• (3) you then made a partial rerevert, which admitted in part that your second revert was wrong

This is edit-warring, without regard to thee substance, and you admit you are unfamiliar with the archives, with which you should familiarize yourself before jumping into a text. Thirdly, you hav not deigned to make an argument for your change ('rumour' vs 'false rumour' has also been discussed in these articles. 'Rumours' were both false and true: the rumour an Arab had been killed in Jerusalem was true, the rumour Beitar groups were claiming a right to take over the Temple Mount reflected Beitar's own challenges in a demonstration, and therefore were not 'false'. Rumours that Jews were massacring Arabs were completely 'false'. Therefore you cannot apply the word 'false' to 'rumours' for that week, because it falsifies history by bundling several distinct pieces of gossip up into one, and treating a 'true' report with a 'false' report.Nishidani (talk) 10:46, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok. I understand. But with the same criteria, you also broke 1RR: This could be considered your first revert because you are removing content that was there before you came. This is your second revert. Don't worry, I don't care about technicalities. I'm more interested in arguments. I just reverted myself.--Wlglunight93 (talk) 10:58, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Jewish Virtual Library

JVL is the web site of a propaganda organization and cannot be used as a source of unattributed facts. It is you who has to take it to RSN if you want that changed. Personally I'm willing to accept articles there which have named acknowledged experts as authors, but the unsigned pulp nonsense which is most of the site is out of the question. This has come up in Wikipedia many times. Zero^talk 12:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Report

I have reported you for your continued edit-warring and breach of 1RR policy on several articles, at the Arbitration Enforcement Noticeboard. RolandR (talk) 21:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

October 2014

To enforce an arbitration decision, and for violating the one-revert-restriction applying to the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area, as discussed at WP:AE, you have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 h. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks and then appeal your block using the instructions there.  Sandstein  13:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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Report

I have again reported you for repeated breaches of 1RR on multiple articles.[2] RolandR (talk) 08:23, 10 October 2014 (UTC)