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==== Category:Signers of the Madrid Charter ====
==== Category:Signers of the Madrid Charter ====
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:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|Blaster]]<sup>[[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]</sup> 21:22, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Signers of the Madrid Charter}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Signers of the Madrid Charter}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Fails [[WP:CATDEF]]. Signing an open letter is not a defining characteristic, compared to signers of constitutions and declarations of independence. [[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 00:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Fails [[WP:CATDEF]]. Signing an open letter is not a defining characteristic, compared to signers of constitutions and declarations of independence. [[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 00:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. This typically calls for a list, and the list is already there in the main article. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. This typically calls for a list, and the list is already there in the main article. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
*:'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 01:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
*:'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 01:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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October 13

Category:People of the Kingdom of Quilon

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with 1 sub-category. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:47, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom Mason (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Urartian people

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with 1 sub-category. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:46, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom Mason (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tenochca people by occupation

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with 2 sub-categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom Mason (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:9th-century people of the Carolingian Empire

Nominator's rationale: overlapping category, as the Carolingian Empire is from 800 to 888; at minimum, rename Category:9th-century people of the Carolingian Empire to Category:9th-century people from the Carolingian Empire for consistency. Mason (talk) 21:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kątski

Nominator's rationale: one person in category, upmerge to clan when possible Mason (talk) 21:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All of them have a potential to be populated, I actually added one member to the Ustrzycki family cat Marcelus (talk) 21:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Great find! I'm not opposed to recreating any of these categories if and when more content is available (5ish pages). Mason (talk) 01:11, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As you wish, but isn't it against WP:SMALLCAT? Marcelus (talk) 19:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, everything has the potential to be populated. But I don't see a realistic potential for them happening anytime soon. I do see that some of the categories are linked to inter-language categories, but that doesn't mean the non-english language pages are going to be created anytime soon. Mason (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SMALLCAT doesn't say anything about time tresholds. Sooner or later it will definitely happen considering constant growth of Wikipedia. There is no reason to remove category that we all know potentially consist several notable items. Marcelus (talk) 21:59, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is true that smallcat "doesn't say anything about time tresholds", but it doesn't forbid it, either. It does say realistic. I don't think that it is realistic to assume that every article on wikipedia will be created. "we all know potentially consist several notable items" We don't know that. Further, extending your logic would result in creating family categories for every family, because there's the potential for notable items. Mason (talk) 21:46, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We know it for sources obviously. Most of them were influential noble families, that had many notable representatives. I don't really see the reason for deleting them in order to just create them later. I just think it would be better if before requesting deletion you would actually examine sources and check for articles that can eventually be put in those category. Look how frutiful our discussion about Glinka family turned out to be. Marcelus (talk) 21:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
> I don't really see the reason for deleting them in order to just create them later. I
Sigh... it's pretty clear that you haven't tried to consider other people's perspectives on this.
> I just think it would be better if before requesting deletion you would actually examine sources and check for articles that can eventually be put in those category
That's an uncharitable interpretation.
> Look how frutiful our discussion about Glinka family turned out to be
I don't think our discussion was fruitful. You kept making uncharitable statements and then didn't respond to my questions asking for you to explain where you get the uncharitable interpretations. Mason (talk) 02:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are making bunch of accusations against me, for no apparent reason. Marcelus (talk) 08:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now, without prejudice to recreate any of these categories when it can be populated a lot better. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 12:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Schack family

Nominator's rationale: Small cat (n<3 ) without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Austerlitz family

Nominator's rationale: Small cat with only 1 person + the corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Białłozor (Wieniawa)

Nominator's rationale: Small cat (n<3 ) without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Southwest League of Professional Baseball

Nominator's rationale: Has only one page in the category. Let'srun (talk) 21:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I think that this could have been speedied. Mason (talk) 21:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy upmerge per WP:C2F. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:32, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Private members' clubs

Nominator's rationale: In Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_4#Category:Private_clubs_in_Toronto, more people complained about this category being redundant, due to clubs being inherently private, than discussed the subcategories that were nominated. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Seems a sensible category - I've made the very extensive Category:Gentlemen's clubs tree a sub-cat; of course most of these now have women members. Some clubs are much more private than others. Johnbod (talk) 21:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, subjective distinction. E.g. what makes Annabel more private than other clubs? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep 'Private members' clubs' is the recognised term for these clubs which used to be known as 'Gentleman's clubs'. They are more rarefied than other member's clubs such as Woking men's clubs in British parlance. Annabel's and other clubs are exclusive as they invariably require proposers and seconders for membership before extracting a hefty annual fee. No Swan So Fine (talk) 14:16, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from the Duchy of Croatia

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Explorers from the Dutch Republic

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. The intersection of regime and explorer is not defining. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, 17th century is more specific than Dutch Republic and all three articles fit the 17th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 09:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Printers from the Dutch Republic

Nominator's rationale: The intersection between regime and printer is not defining. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pirates from the Dutch Republic

Nominator's rationale: The intersection of regime and pirate is not defining. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Physicians from the Dutch Republic

Nominator's rationale: The intersection of regime and physicians is not defining. Note that the lone article is already in Category:Dutch tropical physicians so merging to Category:Dutch physicians is not needed. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rulers by century

Nominator's rationale: More precise than simply 'ruler,' which can encompass a wide range of meanings. Furthermore, this can be regarded as C2D as the primary articles are already titled Lists of state leaders by century. Kpratter (talk) 15:20, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt merge for the earlier centuries:
Rationale: redundant category layer with only two subcategories, similar as for centuries earlier than the 6th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The term leaders can also encompass a range of meanings. Does it include senator, MPs, first ladies, advisors, statesman, etc.? How do we know when modern states began? How do we know which are state leaders and which are rulers of society before modern states? tahc chat 20:38, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the renamings, as clearer in scope. *Oppose any mergers. Dimadick (talk) 21:55, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose since the term of 'state' carries a lot of baggage that doesn't necessarily apply to all these individuals. ― novov (t c)
  • Alt merge for the earlier centuries per Marcocapelle; Defer the rest until the Category:Women rulers by century tree has been phased out (we're at the 12th century now). Oppose "state leaders" as still very ambiguous. See User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw/Rulers for background on the ongoing process of phasing out the Category:Rulers tree. NLeeuw (talk) 20:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow • talk 20:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

mild Oppose. I think that state leader is less clear. Mason (talk) 21:19, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - "state leaders" is a useless made-up term. Head of government and Head of state is what you want. Rulers is fine at least until about 1790. Johnbod (talk) 21:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Legendary people by ethnicity or nationality

Nominator's rationale: split, ethnicity and nationality are quite different things, each with their own category tree. When split, re-parent to either ethnicity or nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Legendary Abkhazian people

Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article and expansion is not very likely. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support and nominate Category:Legendary Togolese people for the same reasons as well.--AHI-3000 (talk) 19:08, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also consider nominating Category:Legendary Andorran people and Category:Legendary Flemish people as well.--AHI-3000 (talk) 20:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Finnish emigrants (1809–1917)

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category, where it really isn't worth distinguishing that this is when Finland was part of the Russian Empire. If not merged, it could be renamed Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Finland Mason (talk) 02:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Emerging consensus is to rename Category:Finnish emigrants (1809–1917) to Category:Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Finland, but little discussion on Category:Finnish emigrants to the United States. @Place Clichy, Marcocapelle, and Mason, do you have any thoughts on that category?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk 13:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kingdom of Bohemia emigrants to the Thirteen Colonies

Nominator's rationale: The intersection with regime isn't defining for emigrants/expatriates. Mason (talk) 12:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first category is tricky. "Czech" would serve as ethnicity in this period, but one article is about an ethnic Jew and the other could be about a German Bohemian (that is not clear). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I agree that the first category is tricky. I first had is as German, but that clearly wasn't a perfect match Mason (talk) 20:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle how about Bohemian emigrants to the Thirteen Colonies? Mason (talk) 17:54, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Great! I've updated it. Mason (talk) 21:49, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Families from Suffolkshire

Nominator's rationale: small underpopulated category Mason (talk) 12:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The one article may more specifically be put in Category:People from Ipswich. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete/Merge - note that Suffolkshire does not exist, & never has. The category was set up by an American editor. Johnbod (talk) 21:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for confirming. (As an American editor, I wasn't sure if that was a missing category or a erroneous name) Mason (talk) 01:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Family by culture

Nominator's rationale: one 1 category in it Mason (talk) 12:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:McDell Marine

Nominator's rationale: single category Mason (talk) 11:55, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. The subcategory may be nominated for upmerge to its other parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cities destroyed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Nominator's rationale: I first created this category under the current title, however Category:Destroyed populated places has since been moved from Category:Destroyed cities and now I think this title would be more appropriate for this category. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 08:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Superheroes by ethnicity or nationality

Nominator's rationale: rename, considering the content, "by continent" is a more appropriate name than the current name. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom Mason (talk) 11:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional people by nationality

Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent per actual content, these are categories simply split by nationality, not by ethnicity (save one exception). When renamed, they should also be re-parented to Category:Fictional people by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom Mason (talk) 11:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Daughters of barons

Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:CATDEF. Lots more where these came from. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, or possibly merge to Category:Nobility of the United Kingdom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:30, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete/upmerge per nom @Marcocapelle. Mason (talk) 12:02, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete/upmerge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Smasongarrison and Aidan721: do you mean delete or do you mean upmerge? Or aren't you sure either? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    My thinking is that we want to take advantage of the information captured in the category: gender, nationality, and perhaps nobility?. I agree that this isn't a defining category. But beyond that I'm not sure what to do with the category; so I guess... manual merge? Mason (talk) 20:35, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    A manual merge might work here, but I think that any people that should be in the Category:Nobility of the United Kingdom will already be in there. So for that reason, I'll support delete. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Special privileges, social and legal, as well as in some cases special titles, are derived from their parentage, which is quite defining. Merging into "Nobility of the UK" wouldn't work because they are for not noble (in the legal sense) for the most part so that it would be apt to mislead. Atchom (talk) 20:21, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Peterson family

Nominator's rationale: Small cat, only 1 page Mason (talk) 01:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cronstedt family residences

  • Keep The Dyre family is a centuries-old noble family which has owned at least a dozen different manors and at least a similar number of churches. There is thus a basuis for far more oages in this category.Ramblersen2 (talk) 09:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Glad to see it has two now, but until those pages exist I think the category needs to be merged Mason (talk) 11:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: over categorized. each has just one page in the category Mason (talk) 01:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge all, for now, with no prejudice to recreation of any of these categories if and when more content is available. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:33, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge all, for now. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pettus family

  • Delete Only two people, unlikely to have more, and both are referenced to each other.Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • probably Delete only two people but it is a noble family.Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Only two people, unlikely to have more, and both are referenced to each other.Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Only two people, unlikely to have more, and both are referenced to each other.Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Only two people and both are referenced to each other.Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Only two people and both are referenced to each other.Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • probably Delete only two people and a ship that are interlinked.Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep 3 members but seems to be pretty prominent Patapsco913 (talk) 21:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Only two people and both are referenced to each other. Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Only two people and both are referenced to each other. Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Only two people and both are referenced to each other. Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Only one person but a bunch of towns and a company that are cross-referenced Patapsco913 (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small cat (n<3 ) without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 00:46, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Larger families that have grown to 4+ since nom
Nominator's update: these have grown since the nom, so I've pulled them out made them easier to see. @@GiantSnowman, Marcocapelle, and Aidan721: Mason (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Smasongarrison: pulled out, do you mean you withdraw them? They are still small categories while the families are apparently not notable in their own right. On top of that, article USS Izard is unrelated to the family. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair question. I'm not withdrawing them; my intent was to make it easier for folks to decide about cases that are a tad larger. As my understanding was that part of @GiantSnowman's concern was that there was the risk of over deleting the categories that had grown. Mason (talk) 19:28, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wow, what a massive amount of overcategorization. Especially with few articles per family, all articles will link to each other directly (unless a very distant relationship) and a category does not add anything. Delete all per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! That was my thinking as well. Some of them might have grown a bit after the creaters were notified. (I'll check and note if any have grown...) Mason (talk) 12:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural keep - totally inappropriate mass nomination, some of them have 3/4 entries (e.g. Daddario family). GiantSnowman 20:20, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    At the time I nominated them, they all had 3 or less. What more appropriate approach would you suggest I take instead @GiantSnowman? Mason (talk) 21:12, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Nominating fewer at a time so that they can be considered properly??? GiantSnowman 21:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm happy to do smaller bundles, if you'd find that helpful. My challenge was that I was going through Category:English families, and well, it's a really really big category. I thought it was less disruptive to bundle them all together. Mason (talk) 01:08, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Not in the quantity you have done. This discussion is already a confusing mess! GiantSnowman 09:30, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Relax bud. It'll get settled. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:48, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom. There is nothing inappropriate with mass nominations as suggested by Snowman. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:25, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Seasons in ice hockey by country

Nominator's rationale: No need for these trees. WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk 00:19, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge/delete per nom. Ice hockey is poorly developed in many countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Bavaria to the United Kingdom

Nominator's rationale: No need to distinguish between regemes Mason (talk) 18:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
Moving to full discussion for an alternative rename @User:Place Clichy; Mason (talk) 18:28, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note:@Johnpacklambert has added commentary/context on my talk page. The crux of his reasoning is: "Emigration is at heart a movement from one political unit to another, and so emigrant categories need to be tied to those politcal units." I disagree with him on this as I think that political unit is mostly not a defining intersection for people leaving a nation (obviously there are exceptions). Regardless, I think his perspective is worth considering. Mason (talk) 19:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk 00:18, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Signers of the Madrid Charter

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:22, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:CATDEF. Signing an open letter is not a defining characteristic, compared to signers of constitutions and declarations of independence. NoonIcarus (talk) 00:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. This typically calls for a list, and the list is already there in the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 01:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
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