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December 1

Template:Infobox urban feature

• Template:Infobox urban feature (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to, variously, {{Infobox street}}, {{Infobox park}}, {{infobox artwork}} or others. Only 55 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:00, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose - not exactly the same as any one of the above things Alaney2k (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Strawman. Given that it tries to do the job of all of them, of course it's not "exactly the same", and no claim is made that it is. It is, though, redundant to them. Please give examples of pages which use it, where another infobox would not suffice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:21, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
    • The infobox urban feature lets you label what the urban feature is. The others are hard-coded by type. It's for miscellaneous types. None of the three have that feature. The Baldwin Steps is neither a street, park or artwork. The above three are poor substitutes, although of course it is possible to use them. Alaney2k (talk) 20:40, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
      • Such labels can be provided in the other infoboxes, too. For example, Infobox park has |type=, as does Infobox street. Baldwin Steps could use - and - indeed has previously used, until you removed it - Infobox street, which "may be used for urban and rural thoroughfares, lanes, alleys, public highways and similar features". Your objection at that time was that Infobox street did not have a map; it does now. I asked you for "examples of pages which use [Infobox urban feature], where another infobox would not suffice". Do you have any? One, even? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
        • I said you could use others already. I said they are not as good, Baldwin Steps included. I'll ask you then, which template provides -all= of the components that this one does? Alaney2k (talk) 13:16, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
• replace any with suitable replacements, then reconsider. if you want a encompassing template that could replace this, try {{geobox}}, but I doubt that would be an agreeable option for other reasons. Frietjes (talk) 14:19, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
  • You did not provide reasons for your comment. This is a discussion. :-) Please explain. Alaney2k (talk) 15:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
    • basically for the same reason why you don't want to use {{geobox}}. Frietjes (talk) 22:38, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
      • You're just getting more cryptic. Alaney2k (talk) 23:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
        • Alaney2k, explain why {{geobox}} is not a suitable replacement. Frietjes (talk) 15:16, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
          • Hey @Frietjes: go ahead and do a replacement. I'll take a look and see how it is done. Alaney2k (talk)
            • Alaney2k, here is an example. Frietjes (talk) 19:52, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. Sincerely. The look is nearly the same, but I do think the category was better in the colored band. That's just a minor point, of course. When I put together Infobox urban feature, I put in a grab-bag of features. I'm wondering if it is possible to put Infobox urban feature on top of Geobox. And of course, whether there is any objection to that, and even if it is possible. I mean, I don't feel like the real reason for wanting Infobox urban feature deleted has been expressed. I mean, yes those other tpls exist, but they are not exactly as useful/complete and not better. And I don't think the inclusion count is that important. I mean, I can see several dozen urban squares it could be used for. If it was built on top of Geobox, I wonder if any objections would be removed. I think geobox, using the free fields, could work, but I would not want to have to set up free fields all the time. I did put in features in articles like Seoul Plaza to show naming, too. Right now, I still want to keep the infobox urban feature tpl. Alaney2k (talk) 21:44, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Alaney2k, the colour used by geobox is toggled by the type, in this case "Steps", which is the same colour used for buildings. if there is a need for a different colour for steps, I am sure it could be added to the list. yes, it would be easy to rewrite this infobox to call geobox internally. Frietjes (talk) 19:52, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

@Frietjes:Yes. But is there a need to rewrite it for geobox? It is based on Infobox now, what would be the point? What would be the improvement? And anyway, the proposer just wants to do away with it. Alaney2k (talk) 21:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Alaney2k, you asked "I'm wondering if it is possible to put Infobox urban feature on top of Geobox". and the answer is yes. the only benefit that I see for doing so would be for the purposes of replacing this template with the more generic geobox template. you asked for a template that could replace all the trancslusions of this one and I found one for you. Frietjes (talk) 13:14, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose – I used this infobox for Texpark site and I'm not sure what would replace it here. Citobun (talk) 06:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
  • @Citobun: Replaced with {{Infobox urban development project}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:08, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
    • That has a transclusion count of only 36. Maybe it should be deleted like this one. Alaney2k (talk) 16:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
      • Also, the article is about a vacant lot, not a development project. Citobun (talk) 14:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
        • From the article's lede: "It was sold to United Gulf Developments, who have formally put forward two development proposals for the site." Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:05, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
          • The article is about a vacant lot. There is currently no development project proposed for the site whatsoever, and there hasn't been since 2012. Citobun (talk) 02:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
      • WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS refers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:05, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:Sil Lai Abrams

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The result of the discussion was Userfy @Baxter91: Moved to User:Baxter91/Template:Sil Lai Abrams (non-admin closure) Pppery 01:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

• Template:Sil Lai Abrams (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A template without the main page which is still in draft Draft:Sil Lai Abrams Marvellous Spider-Man 13:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• Why is this page being nominated for deletion? It will be attached to the final page for Draft:Sil Lai Abrams once it is approved. Baxter91 (talk) 14:34, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• @Baxter91: Are you planning to ever attempt to get it out of draft status by submitting it for review? — Gestrid (talk) 15:16, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

  @Baxter91: More specifically, would you be open to moving this template to user space until the draft is approved? It won't change anything other than to move it out of the "forward-facing" portion of the project until the draft is in the mainspace. It cleans things up a bit for editors of templates as well, since it removes it from various database reports, cleanup tasks, etc. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 19:20, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• @Gestrid: Yes, I am moving it out of draft status soon. Baxter91 (talk) 01:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

• @Rob13: Yes, I'd be totally fine with it being moved to user space. Can you just provide me with the link when it's done? (I'm very new to Wikipedia and it isn't easy for me to find things, LOL. Baxter91 (talk) 01:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

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• Template:Sil Lai Abrams (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A template without the main page which is still in draft Draft:Sil Lai Abrams Marvellous Spider-Man 13:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• Why is this page being nominated for deletion? It will be attached to the final page for Draft:Sil Lai Abrams once it is approved. Baxter91 (talk) 14:34, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• @Baxter91: Are you planning to ever attempt to get it out of draft status by submitting it for review? — Gestrid (talk) 15:16, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

  @Baxter91: More specifically, would you be open to moving this template to user space until the draft is approved? It won't change anything other than to move it out of the "forward-facing" portion of the project until the draft is in the mainspace. It cleans things up a bit for editors of templates as well, since it removes it from various database reports, cleanup tasks, etc. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 19:20, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• @Gestrid: Yes, I am moving it out of draft status soon. Baxter91 (talk) 01:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

• @Rob13: Yes, I'd be totally fine with it being moved to user space. Can you just provide me with the link when it's done? (I'm very new to Wikipedia and it isn't easy for me to find things, LOL. Baxter91 (talk) 01:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

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Template:US-business-bio-1660s-stub

• Template:US-business-bio-1660s-stub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Very unlikely to ever be used. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 09:40, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:US-business-bio-1650s-stub

• Template:US-business-bio-1650s-stub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Very unlikely to ever be used. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 09:40, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:US-business-bio-1620s-stub

• Template:US-business-bio-1620s-stub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Very unlikely to ever be used. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 09:40, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Thailand Squad navboxes

• Template:Thailand Squad 2012 Asian Women's Cup Volleyball Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2012 FIVB Volleyball World Grand Prix (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2012 FIVB Women's World Olympic Qualification Tournament (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2013 Asian Women's Volleyball Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2013 FIVB Volleyball Women's World Grand Champions Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2013 FIVB Volleyball World Grand Prix (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2013 Southeast Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2013 Summer Universiade (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2014 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2014 Asian Women's Cup Volleyball Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2014 FIVB Volleyball Women's World Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2014 FIVB Volleyball World Grand Prix (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2015 Asian Women's Volleyball Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2015 FIVB Volleyball World Grand Prix (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Thailand Squad 2015 Southeast Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 09:28, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• delete, most of these are non-notable squads. if there is a natural home for the content in any of these, we can always merge those with the respective squad articles. Frietjes (talk) 14:20, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Independent College Athletic Conference ice hockey standings

• Template:1964–65 Independent College Athletic Conference ice hockey standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:1965–66 Independent College Athletic Conference ice hockey standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:1966–67 Independent College Athletic Conference ice hockey standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:1967–68 Independent College Athletic Conference ice hockey standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:1968–69 Independent College Athletic Conference ice hockey standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:1969–70 Independent College Athletic Conference ice hockey standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 09:17, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I'll be using them eventually when I have the time to create the main pages for the 1964-65 through 1969-70 seasons. PensRule11385 Talk 00:21, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

• As I stated on my user talk page when you commented, we could userfy these until you're ready to use them. We typically don't store templates in the template space unless they're imminently going to be used somewhere on the project. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 01:20, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:Plink

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted as per WP:G7 upon request. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 19:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• Template:Plink (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not being used and outdated by newer templates. Employs an outdated template in its code {{waybackdate}} which is a redirect to {{wayback}} which is currently being merged to {{webarchive}}. The template would need to be rewritten, and if so would duplicate {{webarchive}} or {{url}} which are more developed. GreenC 03:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Okay to speedy — as creator of the unused template. In fact, I don't remember why I ever created it, almost 9 years ago. - Wikidemon (talk) 05:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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Template:Challenges

• Template:Challenges (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A lot of these articles in themselves are eligible for AFD, DRV (someone forgot to put a {{rally}} template on the mannequin one, so the closing user believed all the ineligible keep !votes, forcing me to DRV it), merging to the list of Internet memes, or even speedy (the mannequin one was created by a abusive sock). KATMAKROFAN (talk) 03:35, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

It may be easier to delete the articles and then remove those thinks from the template than to do it all at once. Hyacinth (talk) 03:46, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• ugggh, have any of the non-notable ones deleted at AFD, then reconsider. as stated above, it's better to delete the articles first. Frietjes (talk) 14:22, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - I do not understand this odd crusade KATMAKROFAN is on regarding the Mannequin Challenge or anything related to it. It was overwhelming consensus to keep the article, and now the rampage is spreading to other areas like this template. -- Fuzheado | Talk 02:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
• Keep per Hyacinth and Frietjes. If there comes a time where there aren't enough of these articles left to warrant a template, deletion can be revisited.— Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 01:52, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:Miss Viet Nam Continents

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:29, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

• Template: Miss Viet Nam Continents (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The navigation box for Miss Viet Nam Continents navigates nothing and therefore must be deleted. Richie Campbell (talk) 03:14, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• delete – the only working links all go to the same article, which seems to be the only pertinent article. With no other articles to navigate to this is pointless.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 09:56, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
• Delete I cannot for the life of me remember why I created this template. Probably was trying to help a newbie but in any case the template is clearly pointless now. Pichpich (talk) 19:28, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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