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Stops

What is the Wikipedia policy on tram, streetcar, bus, minibus, and lightrail stops? Is there a policy? How about articles like South Pier tram stop? Shall we have a Wikipedia article on every stop on six continents? Hu 22:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ship portal

How do I request one?

Nautical portal

I created a Nautical Portal. I was tempted to call it Marine Transport, but that would have semantically excluded military, research, fishing, and other types of special-purpose ships and boats. Cheers. Haus42 21:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Headline of the netherlands motorways are all wrong

All netherlands "nl:rijksweg" have a wrong headline in the english wikipedia. I.e. nl:rijksweg 9 is described in english Wipedia as A9 motorway (Netherlands). But a rijksweg is not a motorway.

Rijksweg translates as national highway, a road maintained by the national government.
The road's profile (ordinary road or motorway, level or split-level crossings, interchanges, number of lanes etc.) depends on the expected traffic density.
A rijksweg with A-number is a motorway = nl:autosnelweg, a rijksweg with N-number is not a motorway = nl:autoweg.

I.e. the nl:rijksweg 9 is only partly a motorway (A-street) and partly a N-street. Thus the headline A9 motorway (Netherlands) in the English Wikipedia is not correct.

Compare nl:Provinciale weg:

Provinciale weg translates as provincial highway, a road maintained by the provincial government.
The road's profile (ordinary road or motorway, level or split-level crossings, interchanges, number of lanes etc.) depends on the expected traffic density.
A provinciale weg with A-number is a motorway = nl:autosnelweg, a provinciale weg with N-number is not a motorway = nl:autoweg.

Thus all motorway (netherlands) could be renamed. Because I am not a native english speaker and my English is not good enough for editing articles, I cannot do this. I do not know which correct names can be used for this in english. Possibly i.e. the A9 motorway (Netherlands) should be simply called Rijksweg 9 (Netherlands), similar i.e. to the german Bundesautobahn 1, which is not called A1 motorway (germany). For all other languages of wikipedia it is important that the netherlands system is described correct here, because they translate it from here. And because it is wrong here, the translations are also wrong at the moment. Could someone of the nartives speakers help this situation?

Thank you. -- 84.132.101.93 09:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probalby a new name like Rijksweg 9 without the (Netherlands) would suffice. HenkvD 11:35, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. You can simply use the same titles as the Dutch Wikipedia. I see no reason not to use them. --Erwin85 18:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that sounds fine. On pages like A9 road, it could say "A9 in the Netherlands, part of Rijksweg 9, or A9 (Netherlands) redirects to Rijksweg 9. Just an easy way so I don't have to fumble through four or five pages to get to the article. Also you should do the same with N9 and all the others. --MPD^{T / C} 23:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did something change in the process? Since none of the mentioned articles were changed? Sitethief~_{talk to me}~ 00:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Decayed portal

Would anyone object to me working on the neglected Portal:Rapid transit?--MrFish^{Go Fish} 20:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Virgin America article(posting here as well since Airlines is so far unresponsive)

If you would all be so kind as to review the issue being discussed at this article and weigh in with your opinion I would appreciate it. We'd like to incur a larger, more objective, unemotional share of input then what exists right now. Thank you very much for your time and we really appreciate it. 68.52.42.38 (talk) 04:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate SPAM

The following SPAM has nothing to do with this portal, so please ignore it.

Modular Trailers,Modular Trailer,Hydraulic Axle,Hydraulic Axles

JRDC Provides new modular platform, modular trailers for sale, Hydraulic axles manufacturer, modular trailers, hydraulic modular trailers, Hydraulic axles in india, Hydraulic axles manufacturer in india. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackolivaa (talk • contribs) 04:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

perspective of wikipedia coverage of sustainable transport

Since the early 19th century rich countries have drifted into an energy glut, which has had dramatic effects on our transport systems - so much so that many people believe "traffic = motor traffic". Walking and cycling still go on, and some policy makers actively encourage both, while others favour power-driven vehicles (most of which are much heavier than their payload and are designed to travel fast, so they consume far more energy than walking or cycling and also create a discouraging atmosphere for would-be walkers and cyclists).

Looking at the articles on Sustainable transport and on Utility cycling, I feel that the energy efficiency aspect (which will become more important in the future) has been underplayed. Would it be possible to add links to Walking and Utility cycling at the top of the Environmentally sustainable transport section? Would it be possible to insert a comparison of energy consumption between walking, straight cycling, power-assisted cycling, electric cars, petrol-driven cars and various forms of public transport (at real-life levels of ridership) somewhere?

I hesitate to simply wade in and start editing existing articles because the authors might well resent such intervention - but if I could collaborate with them on enhancing such articles, I'd be very pleased.

Incidentally, I'm a self-employed mobility consultant in Austria with quite some experience of the practical side of transport policy at the local and regional levels.

Agmobcons (talk) 16:17, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My gut feeling says that your suggestions are excellent and would be welcome additions to this portal. I should tell you that I am not one of the "involved" editors who maintain this portal and am here solely to upgrade any shortcuts to this portal that exist. I do like to check talk pages because sometimes they also have shortcuts, and I caught your message above. Please never hesitate to "simply wade in", because that's what Wikipedia's all about. For any edits that turn out to be either controversial or perhaps misunderstood by involved editors (those will probably be reverted), that is when discussion should ensue. Please read Wikipedia:Be bold and especially Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle for more information. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 17:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperloop

I would like to add some information regarding emerging concepts, such as the "hyperloop" to the portal, is there an area for future designs that are being placed into production, or does this concept fit into a specific category already before-mentioned? Twillisjr (talk) 14:52, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Interlingual Link Error

I clicked the German Wikipedia link (Deutsch) and was led to the Userpage of Wollex.

While I entered wikidata page, I discoverd a normal link to the correspondent Portal in German de:Portal:Transport_und_Verkehr.

I tried entering German Portal page from portal of other languages. The error doesn't exist.

Why could there be a normal link, but I can't go to the Portal in German from Portal in English?

Who know the key? Come fix it!

I just forgot to sign. 辛庚己戊 (talk) 07:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Portal updated, which was reverted

This portal was updated and expanded, which was subsequently reverted by another user in the following edit: diff. The improvements included:

Overhauled portal with modernized wiki markup using transclusion from articles to display content, which provides readers with current, up-to-date information.
Article content from various portal subpages was moved directly into the portal using transclusions.
New content was added, including Featured-class and Good-class articles.
Additional updates, cleanup and layout changes had been performed.
The articles added can be readily viewed in this version of the portal, and then selecting the Edit link (here). Then scroll down.
Additional articles for the portal can be considered from those available in the table listed below. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:37, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Transport articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
Quality	Top	High	Mid	Low	NA	???	Total
FA		1	3	8		2	14
FL			1	2			3
A			1	1			2
GA		3	8	56		30	97
B	7	29	62	166		286	550
C	13	74	159	696		959	1,901
Start	6	71	261	1,765		2,016	4,119
Stub		10	60	1,062		1,397	2,529
List	2	2	22	114	4	160	304
Category					13,450		13,450
Disambig					95		95
File					74		74
Portal					58		58
Project					60		60
Template					521		521
NA		3	6	55	2,498		2,562
Other					118		118
Assessed	28	193	583	3,925	16,878	4,850	26,457
Unassessed				1		2,349	2,350
Total	28	193	583	3,926	16,878	7,199	28,807

Below is a list of articles that were present using transclusions of articles directly on the main portal page, before the updates were reverted by another user four days later (diff). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Article list from this updated version
1=Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) 2=London congestion charge 3=MTR 4=London Underground 5=Downtown Seattle Transit Tunnel 6=SS Christopher Columbus 7=Baltimore Steam Packet Company 8=AirTrain JFK 9=Irish Mercantile Marine during World War II 10=American Palestine Line 11=San Francisco tech bus protests 12=Congestion pricing in New York City 13=Greyhound Lines 14=Pony Express 15=Oil tanker 16=Congestion pricing 17=Metrorail (Miami-Dade County) 18=Ambulance 19=Bay Area Rapid Transit 20=Calais 21=Flag of convenience 22=Bayview Park ferry wharf 23=Port of Split 24=Northwest Seaport Alliance 25=NYC Ferry 26=Port Authority of New York and New Jersey 27=Port of Ploče 28=Road transport 29=Port Miami Tunnel 30=Semi-trailer truck 31=Kitsap Fast Ferries 32=Staten Island Ferry 33=Intermodal container 34=General aviation in the United Kingdom 35=List of Interstate Highways in Texas 36=List of railway stations in the West Midlands 37=Timeline of the London Underground 38=Manchester Liners 39=Innherredsferja 40=Rail transport 41=Transport in the Soviet Union 42=High-speed rail 43=Bulk carrier 44=Electric vehicle warning sounds 45=Electric vehicle 46=Goat Canyon Trestle 47=Kochi 48=Port of Skagen 49=Transportation in Omaha 50=Port of Rijeka 51=Ice trade 52=Skateboarding 53=Cycling 54=Car 55=Canadian Pacific Railway 56=Boeing 747 57=Winter service vehicle 58=Indian Railways 59=Forksville Covered Bridge 60=Interstate 355 61=Hybrid vehicle 62=Steam locomotive 63=New York State Route 28 64=Horses in the Middle Ages

Portal copy edited

In response to the neutral point of view concerns that have been presented regarding this portal at its MfD discussion, I have removed most, but not entirely all of the U.S.-based entries from the portal (diff). Removing all of the U.S. based portals would conversely present a non-neutral point of view of intentionally avoiding all U.S. based topics. Per this, I have also removed some U.K-related articles, because after removing the U.S.-based articles to balance it out, the portal would have been slightly slanted toward U.K. related topics.

The portal would certainly now benefit from more additions to further round it out in relation to presenting additional transport-related articles from various areas of the world. I hesitate to add any new articles to it, because at this point, article selections should be discussed here on the talk page. Of course, now one could state that there are too many or not enough of one type or another type of topic present in the portal, such as it now having too many engine-related transport articles, as in articles involving transport regarding vehicles that use engines, not enough animal-powered transport articles, too many port-related and nautical-related articles, too many historical-related articles, too many articles that involve modern aspects of transport, not enough aviation-related articles, etc., and also vice-versa per these notions. Furthermore, it could be argued that some transport-related topics are presently not covered in the portal. So, if the portal is retained, I encourage talk page discussion to occur.

As I have stated at the MfD discussion, there was no intention of creating a non-neutral portal. Articles were added relative to WP:POG, where it states, "For the Selected article, Selected biography or other Selected content items, find a good number of articles, as many as you can, that could be showcased on the portal" that are "of high quality, either a featured article, a good article or one which deals with its subject substantially or comprehensively". While WP:POG is no longer a guideline page, many portals are still based upon it, and it is common sense to use high-quality articles in portals. However, I certainly understand that article selections in portals should not favor one geographic area over another, and that elements of systemic bias that may exist in various areas of English Wikipedia should not be reflected in portals.

The following is a list of articles that are presently being used in the portal as transclusions after the above edit occurred on 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Transcluded article list for Portal:Transport, as of 13 November 2019 (UTC) (Permanent link)
1 Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) 2 London congestion charge 3 MTR 4 London Underground 5 Horses in the Middle Ages 6 SS Christopher Columbus 7 AirTrain JFK 8 Irish Mercantile Marine during World War II 9 Oil tanker 10 Flag of convenience 11 Congestion pricing 12 Bayview Park ferry wharf 13 Ambulance 14 Port of Split 15 Calais 16 Port of Ploče 17 Road transport 18 Semi-trailer truck 19 Intermodal container 20 General aviation in the United Kingdom 21 Timeline of the London Underground 22 Rail transport 23 Steam locomotive 24 Innherredsferja 35 Transport in the Soviet Union 26 High-speed rail 27 Bulk carrier 28 Electric vehicle warning sounds 29 Electric vehicle 30 Kochi 31 Port of Skagen 32 Port of Rijeka 33 Ice trade 34 Skateboarding 35 Cycling 36 Car 37 Canadian Pacific Railway 38 Winter service vehicle 39 Indian Railways 40 Hybrid vehicle 41 Boeing 747

– North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Telegraph Road Bridge up for deletion.

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
Telegraph Road Bridge (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) AfD discussion

Subject to some important structural engineering technology and studies. See the sources in the article. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:16, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 portal updates

The following updates have been performed to the Transport portal in 2020. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:26, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added the following FA-class articles to the Selected article (SA) section:

Tunnel Railway, Pioneer Zephyr, Manila Light Rail Transit System, Pulaski Skyway, O-Bahn Busway, Hellingly Hospital Railway, Kansas Turnpike, Talyllyn Railway, Hours of service.

Added the following B-class articles to the SA section:

Rail transport in India, SkyTrain (Vancouver), Pan American World Airways, Isambard Kingdom Brunel

Added the FL-class article: List of locks on the Kennet and Avon Canal.
Added List of longest suspension bridge spans, a former featured list article that is nevertheless extensive, comprehensive and thorough.
Added the following GA-class articles to the SA section: