Talk:Anna Strong (spy)
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It's unclear from its article when the villages became known as East Setauket and West Setauket, but this lady's residence was one of them or Setauket tout suite and not "Setauket-East Setauket", a 20th-century census designated place. Yes, that's where the Wikipedia article currently is but just use the period name and redirect from there to the article. Similarly, unless there are sources that she preferred the name herself, don't impose the awkward "Anna Smith Strong" (after the lead sentence) on a woman who presumably went by Anna Smith at first and Anna Strong following her marriage. — LlywelynII 23:30, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Is it possible that Anna's husband is confused with Selah B. Strong (SBS)? I see some similarity in both descriptions. Both are born in the 1700s (though different generations) both are judges, both have mothers named Hannah and both are from Brookhaven. While it is possible that one is named after the other one and pursued the same career, the mother's name is difficult to add to that. Not completely improbable mind you (I'm a genealogist and I have about what seems like 3,000 ancestors and allied families named Moses Pullen), but unlikely. I was wondering if anyone else felt this needed verification or at least, an explanation on their differences and relationship. I'm going to x-post this to the SBS article as well. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
- Oh and before someone asks me about Anna's husband being a judge, I got that from here. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 14:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
- No confusion. Selah B. Strong was the grandson of Selah and Anna Strong. His father was Anna and Selah's son Thomas Strong, also a judge. Both Selah Strongs were judges. Selah Strong's (1737) mother's maiden name was Hannah Woodhull. Selah B. Strong's (1792) mother's maiden name was Hannah Brewster. (Note the Culper Ring family names.) I think the dates for their births and deaths should establish the difference between them. Some of the references in this article also give some facts about Anna's husband. It might be useful to have some mention of his now famous grandparents in the Selah B. Strong article. I am not sure that reference to Anna and Selah's grandchildren is needed in this article, however. I put a red link in this article for Selah Strong (American Revolution) because I think an article is needed for him, even though I added some detail about him in this article. I also did not want someone to link this Selah Strong to the Selah B. Strong article as if they were the same person. I should get around to writing the Selah Strong article some time in the near future. I prefer to have an article close to complete when I post it rather than throw up a few basic facts and keeping adding to it, although I have probably done that a few times as well. Donner60 (talk) 06:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- I might add that I am not opposed to a reference to Selah B. Strong or to some additional citation, reference or footnote in this article. Donner60 (talk) 06:22, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- I left a slightly edited and expanded version of this reply on the Selah B. Strong talk page where this question also appears. Donner60 (talk) 10:04, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- Excellent to all your comments! Are you still working on that article, by chance?
If something can be added, it might move the assessment up. Sometimes an infobox is enough if the rest of the article otherwise meets the criteria for B class. I would be surprised if much more could be added about Anna Strong or if many more references can be found for the information already in the article. I looked for more but, of course, I do not have access to all possible sources. Yet, the Culper Ring was unknown for many years and even after some information came to light, it was not until at least the 1930s that more was discovered. By that time, other details probably were lost. An image would help but it may have to be a related image or location photo. Anna died before photography so only a sketch or portrait could be available. I would be surprised if one existed, in part because I have some recollection that I came across a statement somewhere that no image of her is known to exist. Yet, please do not take this as the last word if anyone has something or can find something in the way of an image that might exist for her or something about her. Although it would not seem unsatisfactory given what we have, the article would seem to have a future only as start class if nothing more can found and added. Donner60 (talk) 10:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
This page had several different ways the references were done and it was a jumble. I reformatted the references using Help:Footnotes#List-defined references and Template:Rp. This eliminates the need to have to repeat references to the same book over and over again just because it's a different page number. Please follow accordingly so the article doesn't look lopsided. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 22:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
:Although I did not look back to see if different styles of references were inserted after the article was written, which could be worth changing, I do not agree with your conclusion. I don't see how it is helpful to anyone who wants to check the references to have all of the page numbers deleted and simply to cite the entire book for every reference no matter where it appears in the book. Also, simply citing the book without page numbers is contrary to Wikipedia guidelines. See Help:References and page numbers where it is stated: Per the verifiability policy, "Cite the source clearly and precisely (specifying page, section, or such divisions as may be appropriate)." Also see Help:Footnotes. Page numbers are included in all of the citation templates. Also (perhaps less importantly), listing footnotes and citing the references separately is common in history articles on Wikipedia. See for example the good article Battle of Gettysburg. The citation formats or types are the same as they were in this article. The Gettysburg article is by no means unique. If there had been a problem with it, I doubt it would have good article status. Donner60 (talk) 05:21, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
- I see the page numbers next to the footnote numbers. I am sorry I missed that. I am deleting the above comment which is mostly wrong as a result of my failure to look beyond the references themselves to the text. I probably will not have a further comment. I do not prefer the change which is contrary to the format of most military history articles but it appears not to have the problem of missing page numbers which was my main complaint. Donner60 (talk) 02:22, 22 July 2015 (UTC)