Talk:Aruj Barbarossa

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Greek?

His own brother's(Barbaros Hızır Hayreddin Pasha) autobiography (Gazavat-i Hayreddin Paşa) clearly states that his father Yakup bey is a Turk and a retired sipahi(which were exclusively composed of Turkish landowners). So hisfather is clearly not Greek. His mother on the other hand(which both brothers inherited their ginger hair) is Greek. But the article does not mention the mother and claims the father is Greek. This is wrong and should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.97.18.12 (talk) 05:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Red hair requires both parents to carry the genes, so this doesn't shed any light on his Mother's origins. Cerumol2 (talk) 11:45, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The red hair trait is not just a gene bestowed on the Greeks. Turks are a nation that migrated to Anatolia not from Africa, but from Central Asia (Turkestan) and the East Caucasus region. A Turk can have red hair, it's not impossible. Uffleck (talk) 23:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Could an expert please determine whether 'Aruj or just Aruj (without any ') is correct, or whether an entirely different, specialised glyph (e.g. À) is required? The article currently contains a mixture.

not serious this article.Aruj(Oruç) never been beylerbey .Khezir was beylerbey.

 who killed Aruj(Oruç) spanish or morroco's sultan?
 Aruj(Oruç) was pirate the sultan Souleyman don't new about .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.237.254.39 (talk) 01:18, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Barbarossa_Khair_ad_Din_Pasha?

Isn't this article about exactly the same person as described in this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarossa_Khair_ad_Din_Pasha

No, they are not the same. They are brothers.

Kizzuwatna 13:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They are brothers, but one outlived the other, as is mentioned in the linked article. Drakonis 21:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aruj or Oruç?

I noticed that Aruj has been changed to Oruç, which should it be? There are more google results for Aruj pirate than Oruc pirate, and Aruj seems to be the Anglicized name (plus the title of the article). --Awiseman 21:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

His original name is Oruç Reis.

Italians name Prince Charles as "Principe Carlo", but he is Charles, not Carlo.

Similarly, Dragut's original name is Turgut Reis, hence the proper name of the article.

Regards. Flavius Belisarius 18:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to results of google books:

Aruj+Ottoman+Algers - 535 results

Oruc+Ottoman+Algers - 102 results

"Oruc Reis"+Ottoman+Algers - 17 results

535 results cannot be ignored.

Takabeg (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Janissary Sipahi doesn't exist

His father cannot be a janissary sipahi because such thing doesn't exist and never existed. I have never read or heard of such a thing like a janissary sipahi. What is that supposed to be then? Everybody with some knowledge about the Ottoman military system, would know: -That a janissary is an infantryman and a sipahi is a cavalryman. So it is impossible to be an infantry and cavalry soldier at the same time. -A sipahi was given land by the sultan in new conquered areas. This was not given to janissaries. His father, Yakup Aga, was given land for his military services. -Janissaries were not allowed to marry, they lived in their barracks. So if Yakup Aga was a janissary how come he gets married? -Janissaries and Sipahis were different types of soldiers. -Also it is not possible to be an janissary and then turn into a sipahi and vice-versa.

THUS he was a Sipahi and NOT a Janissary Sipahi.

And I do no invent this, all other sources call his father a Sipahi. They do not mention anything about janissary.

If you want more information read the janissary and sipahi article.

I want to congratulate the person who found the source for janissary sipahi, because for finding such a weird sourceDragonTiger23 (talk) 17:16, 11 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Who is Aruj?

As an avid reader of Ottoman history, I have never come accross an Aruj. Seems like another perfectly good article that has fallen victim to the ultra-nationalist and cheuvenistic editors. WP seems to go down a hole and this scourage is eating it alive. What a shame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.155.172 (talk) 03:22, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because his name is ORUC which means fasting in Turkish. It is not Aruj that sounds similar to Oruc. 73.223.0.150 (talk) 17:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Beshogur, Thank you for giving your attention. The article needs more citations. I think there is inaccurate content here. I found a complete source for citation.^[1] But its in Turkish & I'm not good at translating it via Google Translate. If you have a time, Please check the source & add citations to the content. There is much citation requirement in the article. Thank You. IAmAtHome (talk) 14:34, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Bostan, İdrıs (2007). Oruç Reis - An article published in 33rd Volume of Turkish Encyclopedia of Islam (in Turkish). Vol. 33. Istanbul: TDV İslâm Ansiklopedisi. pp. 426–428. ISBN 979-97-53-89455-4. Retrieved 6 January 2022.

typo

Please fix a typo in the section of "Oruç the corsair": "Hızır joined Oruç at Djerba. In 1504, the two brothers asked Abu Abdallah Muhammad IV al-Mutawakkil, Hhafsid caliph of Tunisia" it's spelled Hafsid. SimoooIX (talk) 00:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed: by User:M.Bitton. Demetrios1993 (talk) 08:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 March 2024

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The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oruç Reis → Aruj Barbarossa – Aruj Barbarossa or simply "Aruj" is how he's referred to in the majority of reliable sources. "Oruç" is mostly used in modern Turkish sources. M.Bitton (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 13:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Very clear common name in English-language sources. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:08, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[İA-1] Bostan, İdrıs (2007). Oruç Reis - An article published in 33rd Volume of Turkish Encyclopedia of Islam (in Turkish). Vol. 33. Istanbul: TDV İslâm Ansiklopedisi. pp. 426–428. ISBN 979-97-53-89455-4. Retrieved 6 January 2022.

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