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The entire article reads like a poster for her. It's almost complete garbage with heavy bias throughout. The criticisms need to be separated from the works, and the works need to stand on their own. It's like a high school essay where someone is trying to make an argument for someone's actions that are under fire. She's notable, but the entire thing needs to be rewritten and tagged as needing severe editing. -188.8.131.52 (talk) 14:51, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- <rant>Well, to fit this "big fat gluttonous child abusing bitch" (citation) on a small monitor is not easy... </rant>
I emailed Fischer sometime back about the claims she isn't into Kingdom Now theology. I haven't heard back from her yet, and since the only verifiable thing on it is the film, I cut out the claim she doesn't believe in it. Sorry, but I call it like I see it--and I've seen the movie.Blueboy96 00:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Everything after February 7, 2007 is suspect. --Adamrush 16:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- When you edited out that big vandal sentence, you also changed her from a "controversial Pentecostal children's pastor" to an "obese, three-hundred pound Pentecostal children's pastor." Ehh? Ehhhh? -184.108.40.206
- You are welcome to eat dicks, good sir. A heaping platter of steamed dicks. --Adamrush 00:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
There is a problem with this article, im atheist but tihs article is wrong in many aspects. Someone with low sense of humor added someting about eating and mess with barbecue...whats this??? WTF?
- That's called having a good sense of humour - people with too much time on their hands improving Wikipedia articles. Natalie (talk) 15:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Insane in Brain
I really don't like the concept of brainwashing children into this kind of garbage. It's extremely evil and extremely wrong. Unfortunately many North Dakotans are complete zealots when it comes to Christianity. In many cases they discriminate against others when it comes to hiring non-christians and will go out of their way to SHUN you out of any community you try to live in. Simply because you aren't "Christian" (or in some cases...because you don't "LOOK" Christian). An immense amount of racial and social prejudice exists in North Dakota...and the people who are primarily to blame...are the "so called" Christians that have almost complete taken over every aspect of North Dakota.
This is not to say that there aren't nice Christians...just that most of them don't live in North Dakota. The Christians here are excessively judgmental and excessively cruel to anyone that doesn't "measure up" to their virtually "white power, neo-nazi" standards. It actually sickens me to see people like this having anything to do with politics. They are poorly educated and typically have no idea what is actually happening. Even worse...many of them believe the end times are coming and might as well be part of an apocalypse cult. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Various information about teachings and ministry focus were added. The controversial topic of her obesity and how that ties into the doctrine of most protestant denominations was again added. We are taking into consideration the Catholic focus of the "seven deadly sins", but cannot ignore the fact that gluttony is considered a sin in both Catholic and Protestant denominations.
Several references to brainwashing and behavioral control were also added, as much criticism is centered around the questionable methods used in the children's ministry. --Radio Flyer-Reloader (talk) 04:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
First of all, it's "Gluttony". Glottony, if it exists at all, probably has something to do with one's larynx :-). Bad wordplay aside, I think it's a bit rich to criticize someone's religious messages or convictions simply on the basis of their body weight. This isn't a partisan or joke site, after all, but an encyclopedia. The criticisms about behavioural techniques in children, or the aims of her ministry, are legitimate but need to be written in a more suitable tone. I am hereby removing the obesity-related cracks until and unless someone provides a valid reason why this has any significance. No partisan interests here - but let's keep it serious and accurate. Rprpsych (talk) 18:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Rajkumar while I respect your background and you could certainly add much to the sections about undue influence facilitated by pressure and stress as pointed out by your mention of the behavioral modification techniques used on the child attendees of the hosted camps. Criticism of Becky Fischer for her outspoken and clearly negative and continuous attacks on competing denominational adherents to Christianity cannot be ignored using the tactic that her obesity is not a legitimate topic.
I specifically added the information about the religious obesity issue, due in part to the rampant vandalism that would appear on this page. While first removed for what was considered a "Catholic based criticism" modifications were made to include references as similar to the below:
Proverbs 23:20-21 - "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags."
Proverbs 28:7 - "He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father."
Proverbs 23:2 - "Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony."
The original "Seven Deadly Sins" was indeed a Catholic denominational early teaching device (superbia, avaritia, luxuria, invidia, gula, ira, acedia) as devised in the writings of Evagrius Ponticus to be changed to the commonly recognized list of seven as dictated by Pope Gregory.
So clearly the issue of "gluttony" is a valid Catholic and Protestant Christian religious issue, because Fischer is considered a Christian religious leader the religious issues should be considered valid - Particularly because of her continued use of the representative and negative condemnation "fat and lazy Christians" who she uses as an insult or challenge to competitive denominations.
The central theme of many of the multiple ministries under the control of Fischer is partisan by nature and the very existence of this entry in Wikipedia is a listing of a Christian religious leader with clearly defined partisan denominational nature as central to the ministry itself. The ministry, the person, and her notable existance in US religious culture is due to her appearance in the popular documentary Jesus Camp and her controversial teachings and methods. None of my additions or modifications were ever considered a "crack" (I am guessing you are using that as short for "wise crack") it was never aimed at humorous intent or for personal attack. I think the criticism stands as a valid point, is serious, and most certainly her denunciations of and use of the term "fat and lazy Christians" is verifiably accurate with video footage in some cases.
I also must state that I am not a member of the Catholic Church but a study of early Christian history, and a former member of a minority religion in the United States.
I have re-added the section about obesity criticism, you are welcome to edit the content as necessary but without the mention there will be continuous destructive vandalism from less objective members. I look forward to your positive creative additions. --Radio Flyer-Reloader (talk) 03:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I guess. As you said, if you hadn't written it in the language it is in now, someone would've written something worse. But, at the same time, I'm just a little uncomfortable about using her body weight as a counter-argument to some of the things she claims about other religions, especially when a lot of what she claims about "fat and lazy churches" can be countered using Scripture itself, or interpretations thereof. As a fellow student of Christian history (though I am strictly an amateur!) I think we both realize that Scripture can be interpreted in various ways. For example, the entire passage 1 Timothy 2: 9-15 sort of invalidates the very possibility of having a woman as pastor depending on how you read it. And sorry about the word "crack", I guess I'm just a wise guy.. Also, gluttony if seen in its historical context refers to morbid and even depraved overeating, as the Romans were rumoured to indulge in. Is Ms. Fisher a "glutton", or just one of the several people who suffers from obesity or an eating disorder - complex and multifactorial conditions - and tries unsuccessfully to fight against it? In the absence of evidence, I personally would not want to use that as my leading argument against her dubious comments on other denominations including my own.
Declaration of conflicts of interest: I am a Roman Catholic, a proud member of the "dead churches" that are mentioned in Jesus Camp, and a regular consumer of the Death Cookie. But then, I also weigh 200 pounds :-) Rprpsych (talk) 11:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
It is Ms. Fischer herself who inadvertedly brings her wheight in context, when she complains about the incapability of modern society to fast at the beginning of "Jesus Camp". I think that a reference to her wheight should therefore be included in the article. --18.104.22.168 (talk) 15:57, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I do not like the use of Pentecostal on this description. There is no Pentecostal teaching given by this woman. This is pure Charismatic ranting and raving. The rise of the Charismatic movement has been the bigest detriment to evangelical christianity. She it not Pentecostal - I am not sure what she is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimbob35 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 15 July 2010 (UTC)