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Licit vs. Valid[edit]

> In the Catholic Church a bishop can validly ordain a priest as a bishop provided that permission of the Holy See has been granted. <

I heard this is actually false. The priest will visit Rome where the Pope himself in person will ordain him into a bishop. If this is not possible (due to distant travel or hostile political situation in the priest's land), the Pope can grant permission to THREE bishops to ordain the priest into a bishop but all three have to be present at the event to be valid.

The permission of the Holy See is for licet celebration, not validity. Also, for licit celebration, 3 bishops are required. For validity, only one bishop is required. It is neither required for validity or licity that the pope be present.DaveTroy 09:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
your mileage may vary depending on rite. This is something of a moving target as Orientalium Ecclesiarum is implemented over time by the various rites. The current state of affairs in the Ruthenian Church is not the same as the Ukrainian. TMLutas 18:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Eastern/Western pic[edit]

I'd suggest a picture of an eastern bishop be added to the page in order to show the diversity of appearance. The dominance of the latin rite often leads some to think that latin habits are normative. Nothing wrong with the latin forms and the article is pretty well balanced in word. Visually, it's more latin centered. TMLutas 18:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, feel free to add an appropriate photo. Majoreditor 03:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Etymology Question[edit]

How is the word Bishop in english derived from the greek Episkopos? I mean is Bishop a word that was arround when they traslated from greek (then an additional explanation for the etymology might be needed) or is it actually a derivation from Episkopos? Many thanks, Pablo2garcia (talk) 23:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Major Re-write[edit]

I'm going to undertake a major rewrite of this article. Most of the content is copied verbatim from bishop, and that's hardly necessary. This page should focus on the functions of bishops within the Catholic Church. Here are some potential sections for the article:

  • Hisorical overview - of the office of Bishop (based primarily on the Catholic Encyclopedia, but edited into a short section)
  • Roles of Bishops - canonical and sacramental responsibilities. brief discussion of diocesean vs. curial functions.
  • Appointment process
  • Episcopal ordination
  • Pontifical dress

I'm thinking we should just focus on the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church. Trying to add all the particulars for all the sui juris churches just seems to be far too broad. I'm going to start making some edits today to removed duplicated content. If anybody has any questions or suggestions, please put them here. Dgf32 (talk) 22:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The project is now underway. I've removed the material copied verbatim from bishop. Dgf32 (talk) 21:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

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Bishop-priest relationship[edit]

Much has been said regarding the bishop-priest relationship, that is to say the interactions between a senior pastor and his clergymen. This probably deserves to be included somewhere in this entry. [1][2][3] ADM (talk) 05:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

How, and How Much, are Bishops Paid?[edit]

It would be instructive to know who pays bishops, priests, etc. and how much they get and who decides on raises and where the money comes from. And what about other remuneration such as free housing? NStahl (talk) 01:46, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Pectoral cross outside of chasuble[edit]

The image of a bishop on this page has a caption that reads: "A Latin-Rite Catholic bishop wearing the pontifical vestments and carrying a crosier, though the pectoral cross should be beneath the chasuble and stole, not over them." While the Ceremonial of Bishops does in fact state that the pectoral cross should be underneath the chasuble (61), the CDW did actually permit the pectoral cross to be worn over the chasuble in order for the bishop to be differentiated from other concelebrants (Notitiae). So I'm removing the mention in the caption. — AJDS talk 17:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)