Talk:Bob Ezrin

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Needs a picture :-/ Redwolf24 04:06, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I remember reading that he got his starts with Nimbus 9 records under the supervision of Jack Richardson, he also was mentioned on The Guess Who album "So Long Bannatyne" (released 1971/1972) in the credits as "Toronto Bob"

He did not either produce "The Bells"![edit]

I'd love to know how anybody got the idea that Bob Ezrin produced Lou Reed's The Bells. I think the man would be insulted -- I love the album, but it's definitely not Ezrin-quality sound. Only Berlin could possibly have been produced by Bob Ezrin. It would be great to reunite these two, but Lou Reed seems to have a history of, er, not maintaining his collaborative relationships very well. --63.25.21.154 (talk) 11:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Involvement in Berlin and The Wall[edit]

Much more could be said about Berlin and The Wall. (I think those are the two most famous albums in his resume, aren't they?) According to the Lou Reed biographies I've read (Bockris, Doggett, and Jeremy Reed), Ezrin (who was then 24) got very involved, emotionally, in the album and its subject matter. Lou Reed later said,

"We killed ourselves psychologically on that album. We went so far into it that it was kinda hard to get out. It was a very painful album to make. And only me and Bobby really knew what we had there, what it did to us."

Coming from Lou Reed, that's a really generous statement about Ezrin's involvement. A more typical example of Reed's attitude towards collaborators: When being interviewed by Entertainment Tonight, he was asked, "Who's that fantastic drummer of yours?" Reed responded by telling them to stop the tape and edit that out.


This is just speculation, but Ezrin may have composed some of the music, as well. He did, after all, write some music for The Wall and allow Roger Waters to take the credit for it. Reed would never share credit if he didn't have to, and some musical sequences are somewhat more sophisticated than anything Reed's written before or since. (For example, the transition from the first chorus to the second verse of "Lady Day".)

After Berlin was finished, Ezrin checked into a hospital for heroin addiction (not, as is often reported, for "nervous exhaustion"):

"I didn't know what heroin was until I went to England on this gig. We were all seriously ill. I would rather have had a nervous breakdown."

Quotes come from Victor Bockris's Lou Reed: The Biography aka Transformer: The Lou Reed Story.

As for The Wall, see my comments here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Trial_%28song%29#Ezrin.27s_role —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.25.21.154 (talk) 14:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC) Forgot to sign, sorry, --63.25.238.237 (talk) 15:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

General copyediting[edit]

I have put in a considerable amount of effort to improve this article on a general copyedit level, also discovering that a fair amount of the article has been lifted from the Canadian Hall of Fame website. It needs more done on this fundamental level, so I hope others can help out before the other important content-related work (eg. more on Reed's Berlin) begins. --Soulparadox 16:56, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

At the moment this is tagged for factual accuracy - what factual accuracy. But it has a worse problem with the extent of the copyvio text ! -- Beardo (talk) 02:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, here is a completely new Opening paragraph, then. I'll leave it here for a week, and if there are no objections, I'll replace it on in the article. Bill G. Evans (talk) 22:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Robert Alan "Bob" Ezrin (born March 25, 1949) is best known for his work as a music producer. Over the course of forty years, he has produced and mixed some of the most successful and celebrated in rock music including Pink Floyd's "The Wall", Alice Cooper's "Welcome To My Nightmare" and KISS' "Destroyer". Contemporary work includes Taylor Swift "Speak Now World Tour Live" (2011), The Darkness' Hot Cakes (2012), 2Cellos "In2uition" (2013) and Deep Purple (2013).
Ezrin has a significant history in entrepreneurialism, co-founding and companies such as 7th Level(NASDAQ: SEVL), Enigma Digital and Beat Kangz Electronics. Philanthropy and activism also factor largely his career, mobilizing and co-founding groups such as The Mr. Holland's Opus Foundation, Music Rising and Young Artists for Haiti. Education is another focus for Ezrin, his current endeavor being the Nimbus School of Recording Arts in Vancouver Canada, which he co-founded in 2009.
Ezrin is the winner of a JUNO Award and was inducted into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame in April 2004.

Simply adding mountains and mountains of questionable references to a poorly structured article is not doing anything to deal with the major issues. I'm pretty certain that either Bob himself or someone paid by Bob has been editing this article. As it stands now it is little more then a resume, with undue weight put on very minor non-notable aspects of the subject. As a result I'm going to put some very harsh maintainance tags on this article as I feel it needs to be 100% rewritten. Ridernyc (talk) 06:58, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I know Bob, but do not work for him. I'm trying to improve this page, having agreed with some of the suggestions other editors have made (such as yourself). This needs to be more of a collaborative effort, though. Bill G. Evans (talk) 20:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I have just completed a general copyedit of the article and have removed several of the tags that I think are now outdated; however, I am open to returning them, as I reviewed the Talk page AFTER the editing process. I think a 100 per cent re-write is not completely out of order, but it will need to be done by someone with a better knowledge of the subject than myself. The tone has certainly been transformed into something more encyclopedic, but it still requires further citations and expansion in the interests of making it a useful article for the general public. I will continue to watch this page and Bill and I have agreed to collaborate in the interests of improving the page and bringing it up to Wikipedia standard.--Soulparadox (talk) 17:34, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Awesome. I will check it out, shortly.Bill G. Evans (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, nice work. Much more encyclopedic in tone. Previously, you mentioned you thought the page could use more content on important topics, such as Berlin. Would you like me to work on something? Were there any other topics that you (anyone else) would like to suggest? (As I know Bob, I don't want to suggest anything as important. If someone else wants to, though, I'm happy to write it.) Bill G. Evans (talk) 23:44, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Family[edit]

From Steve Hunter's Swept Away (Steve Hunter album), the following credit (lifted straight from the vinyl lp notes): Dr. C. Ezrin M.D. F.R.C.P. (C) F.A.C.P. professor of medicine, University of Toronto - upright bass. This sounds like his father. would be great to get more info on this.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:06, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

It was, indeed, his father, who worked his way through medical school playing an upright bass. Bill G. Evans (talk) 21:06, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Warning Tags[edit]

I am removing the remaining warning tags, as they are no longer relevant and there has been no further discussion. If there is lingering dissent, let's talk and not get into a back-and-forth. Please be specific about what content you feel is problematic so any issues can be addressed. Bill G. Evans (talk) 14:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Bill, as I replied to your message on my Talk page, I have reinstated the "refimprove" tag as there are further citations that are needed (and that have been identified with tags throughout the article). Also, the section on the list of music that he has been involved with will need citations, in line with Wikipedia policy. I also edited the layout for consistency and Wiki standards.--Soulparadox (talk) 15:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi Soul, I cited the remaining tagged citations, except for the personal section. I cannot find any independent sources for that info; should it be removed? Nice job editing the layout…I hope to understand that aspect of Wikipedia better. The discography is, as you have noted, not correct—I think a better name for that section would be "Partial Discography." How, specifically, should it be cited; could could you please show me some examples from other pages? Bill G. Evans (talk) 23:55, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
I may be incorrect about the citations for this section—I will make an inquiry now.--Soulparadox (talk) 02:12, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I have reinstated the tags dealing with referencing. The majority of the refs in the article are either unreliable or too closely related to the subject. There is an almost total lack of independent reliable sources here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ridernyc (talkcontribs) 21:42, 7 September 2013

Disagree - there are currently 52 53 references, the majority of which are NOT closely related to the subject. Tags removed. PKT(alk) 15:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Personal Life[edit]

Editors have brought attention to there being no citations for the personal life section. I crawled the web and couldn't find one. Given the lack of citation, and that this section has only one sentence, I recommend we remove it. Bill G. Evans (talk) 21:46, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Phish[edit]

Isn't working with Phish the thing he is probably least known for? They're a well known band but it's not like he did 5 records with them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.165.162.98 (talk) 01:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2016[edit]

Please add to the public speaking section:

February 23, 2016 - Was urged by Kanye West to "never speak in public again" as he is "everything that is wrong with the new guard". These comments were released as a twitter barrage by Kanye following an scathing letter by Ezrin.[1]

Randall Scramble (talk) 06:19, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm thinking maybe it's time to go all out and lock this one up for the near-term. 160.3.170.250 (talk) 07:05, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done per WP:BLPSOURCES : "Material should not be added to an article when the only source is tabloid journalism" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:20, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference undefined was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Public Speaking Section[edit]

Someone removed the public speaking section, claiming it read like an advertisement. The person's entry is still there, but the message seems to be replaced by a message that the change was reverted, and the account has been blocked for disruptive editing. But the section still seems to gone. Therefore, I will restore the section. I can't see how the section could be considered commercial, and it's obviously important that it isn't—but I can possibly think of is changing the word "numerous" to many." Beyond that, I think people should make a suggestion before deleting it. Bill G. Evans (talk) 17:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, OK, the complaint was that it sounded like a resume. Again, I really don't know how much more factual that one sentence could sound. But I did change that word. Open to suggestions. Bill G. Evans (talk) 18:17, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Yeah. Wikpedia articles are not resumes. If this person made some sort of speechification that was so important it was widely reported on, and if this person (Hilary Clinton-style?) made significant amounts of money speechifying, yeah, then maybe. But he didn't, nor did reliable sources report on this--I'm not counting the KISS MASK fanzine or whatever, and this kind of notification isn't coverage at all. This claim of being a famous speaker at colleges is also not verified by reliable sources. I understand you want your client to look good (I assume it's your client?), but you'll have to abide by our guidelines here. The man is a producer and musician, not a public speaker. Drmies (talk) 19:15, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Also, I think you were a little confused about the history of the page. Drmies removed the section about 12 hours after a long series of disruptive edits by IPs and a few registered editors was halted as a result of page semi-protection, but Drmies (a sysop) was not blocked and had nothing to do with those edits. General Ization Talk 19:37, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
  • I see what you mean, yes I saw that as lumped in with everything else. Nobody is impressed by anybody's Wikipedia page. However, pages should be complete, which is why I solicited clarification on the Talk page. Thank you for the clarification. Bill G. Evans (talk) 03:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Bob Ezrin/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Too long to be a stub, not long enough for B-class. The info there seems good, there's just not a lot of it. AlmightyClam (talk) 16:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Last edited at 01:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 09:54, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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