Talk:Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack

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On 15 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2021 Buffalo clinic attack to Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 30 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 18:33, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Buffalo clinic attack → Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack – The article was moved to the current title with the reasoning that RS commonly refers to the location as a "Buffalo clinic". That doesn't appear to be the case. Looking at the references section, the WP:RS variously uses "Buffalo, Minnesota"; "Buffalo"; and "Minnesota"; however, "Buffalo, Minnesota" and variations seem to have a predominant presence. Outside of that, I strongly think that it is important to distinguish Buffalo, Minnesota, from the more well-known Buffalo, New York. Love of Corey (talk) 07:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Current title seems to be better WP:CONCISE. The distinction between Buffalo, Minnesota and Buffalo, New York, is in the initial sentence. Is there any reason it also needs to also be in the title? The 2021 disambiguator is already there and sufficient to distinguish between clinic attacks in towns called Buffalo. Or are we anticipating attacks on clinics in Buffalo, New York, this year? Walrasiad (talk) 13:03, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack doesn't follow the When-Where-What format. The article is in the process of being updated. Many of the cited sources are from the days after the event. "Buffalo clinic" is used in many recent, reputable sources. e.g., [1], [2], [3], and [4]. An early Associated Press [5] headline referred to "Minnesota health clinic", but the article discussed the "Buffalo clinic" and described it's location in proximity to Minneapolis. See also, 2021 Boulder shooting, where readers outside the United States opposed use of Colorado in the title, and use of U.S. state names in general. Minnemeeples (talk) 13:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, the rename discussion at 2021 Boulder shooting has more votes in opposition of a rename than in support. Love of Corey (talk) 21:18, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The mismatched comma violates MOS:GEOCOMMA. — BarrelProof (talk) 14:23, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose title with year immediately wins over proposal without year. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:10, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 15 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. There is consensus that adding the state is helpful as it fixes ambiguity about where the attack was. However, there is no consensus on whether the year should also be included. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 11:29, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Buffalo clinic attack → Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack – I once said that "it is important to distinguish Buffalo, Minnesota, from the more well-known Buffalo, New York", and now, it's clear that I was prescient to say this, because we now have a mass shooting that occurred in the more well-known Buffalo. The addition of the state in the title will help distinguish this Minnesota event from the one that occurred in New York. As for the removal of the year, well, this is the only such event in the history of this Buffalo in particular, so there's no need for a disambiguating year. Love of Corey (talk) 03:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nominator. —Locke Cole • t • c 04:36, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Pinging people who participated in a related discussion on Talk:2022 Buffalo shooting: @2603:7080:1E39:6663:4929:D07B:74EA:5881: @ProcrastinatingReader: @Lettler: @Augusthorsesdroppings10: Love of Corey (talk) 08:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Lettler^{hello • contribs} 13:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support I definitely thought it was NY without the distinction. WikiVirusC^(talk) 22:22, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 23:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as it isn't a better option. Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack loses the when (when-where-what) and it also no longer follows other similar article titles where this discussion went a different direction (e., 2021 Boulder shooting) without the U.S. state being included. Also, "Buffalo clinic" is a common term found in the title of twelve cited sources, as the attacked occurred at the Allina Health Buffalo Crossroads clinic. Buffalo clinic is the key common term here. Also, it would have to be Buffalo, Minnesota, clinic attack or 2021 Buffalo, Minnesota, clinic attack to align with the Manual of Style about subordinate places, which is even worse. Minnemeeples (talk) 01:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- If you read the article and sources, this wasn't an alleged attacked that just happened to occur in Buffalo, Minnesota; rather, it was specifically targeting the Buffalo clinic in Wright County. Minnemeeples (talk) 01:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- 1993 Aurora, Colorado shooting, 2012 Aurora, Colorado shooting, and Aurora, Illinois shooting. A previous RM discussion ruled to not keep the second commas either. Love of Corey (talk) 03:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- You are refering to general MOS for in articles, it doesn't require the extra comma in titles. Multiple examples of States listed above, and 2021 Orange, California office shooting is one with state and a place in title before shooting. WikiVirusC^(talk) 10:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Good point. There are other options that might be better than the current one and even the proposed option. My concern was with the haste of the move and with the canvassing nature of it, though not intended, where only a few people were pinged for the discussion. Other options to consider are 2021 Buffalo Crossroads clinic attack, 2021 Allina Health Buffalo clinic attack, or even 2021 Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack as it follows the when-where-what format for these types of incidents, like the 2021 Orange, California office shooting you suggested. Thanks for the discussion. This proposed move was voted down before for similar concerns. Minnemeeples (talk) 13:10, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support The addition of the word "Minnesota" will help distinguish it from the larger city in New York state. Another possibility is 2021 Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 15:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I would support 2021 Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack as it at least retains the year. Minnemeeples (talk) 19:49, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move to 2021 Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack. Showiecz (talk) 11:33, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Love of Cory, what are your thoughts on 2021 Buffalo, Minnesota clinic attack as the article title? Minnemeeples (talk) 15:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly, strongly disagree. Name another attack that occurred at a clinic in the history of Buffalo, Minnesota. Love of Corey (talk) 01:47, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.