Talk:Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall

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Future Page Title[edit]

I do not expect this to become a serious issue for some years, but how will this page be titled in the future as Charles's parents die?

If we assume that Prince Philip (being the elder of the couple) dies first, might this page be retitled Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall and Edinburgh?

Further, when Her Majesty perishes would we know how to proceed? I assume that Charles, Prince of Wales would swiftly be moved to either Charles III of the United Kingdom or George VII of the United Kingdom, depending on his final decision as to a regnal name, but this still leaves open Camilla's position. If they go ahead with what has so far been suggested then it would presumably be Camilla, Princess Consort but if that charade is dropped would she be Queen Camilla of the United Kingdom or else Camilla, Queen of the United Kingdom?. I know that for many consorts we traditionally revert to maiden names for historical records (Catherine of Aragon, Jane Seymour, Mary of Teck, Camilla Parker-Bowles) but I'm not sure that it would be appropriate to do this while the person is still alive and incumbent.
Robin S. Taylor (talk) 12:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

OverRepeated Words[edit]

I feel like there is too much use of "Official Visits". Could someone just fix that use of Official. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrevorCasey (talkcontribs) 18:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

thanks for pointing it out, I fixed it. (Monkelese (talk) 22:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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She declared her preference for the style of Princess Consort[edit]

What is the legal status of the Clarence House statement on the day of her marriage to Charles? Does the style "Princess Consort", in the context of her husband being King, have any legal standing? Can she choose to refuse the style of "Queen Consort"? May she legally do so? Is it not her legal style whether she chooses to use it or not? If so, then should the sentence not indicate that this is a personal preference of Camilla's as opposed to having any legal requirement? Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:52, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

If sources say it is her choice, then the article may say so, citing those sources. If they do not, it may not. DrKay (talk) 10:00, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't see any sources for any of the titles mentioned in the article. Maybe they're all spurious. Should I take them all down until I find a source for them? Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:14, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
The sources are in the appropriate section. Per WP:CITELEAD, sources are not necessary in the lead when the material is sourced in the article body. DrKay (talk) 15:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
There is no citation for the Clarence House declaration. The source only refers to her usage of the Duchess title. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
I have been here long enough to know when it is fruitless to discuss a point. When someone is determined to be difficult, no amount of argument will change their mind. If you think that citation 218 (the official statement from Clarence House) is not sufficient to support the claims in the article "an official statement issued by Clarence House" and "Clarence House stated", then it is really not difficult to find secondary alternatives: "Camilla will not be known as Queen Camilla but as the Princess Consort, Clarence House added", which you would have done if you were actually interested in citing the article rather than simply arguing about it. I'm done here. DrKay (talk) 16:44, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Can anybody assist me in finding sources that might answer these questions: What is the legal status of the Clarence House statement on the day of her marriage to Charles? Does the style "Princess Consort", in the context of her husband being King, have any legal standing? Can she choose to refuse the style of "Queen Consort"? May she legally do so? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:18, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
What law dictates that she should be queen? Surtsicna (talk) 12:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Are you implying that it is a matter of her personal preference whether or not she takes certain titles? Do you have a source to say that she may do so? Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:35, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
I am not implying anything. You ask whether she can legally choose not to be queen, which presumes a law stating that she should be queen. Does such a law exist? As far as I know, it does not. While the Constitution of Spain specifies that the king's wife is called queen, the (uncodified) British constitution does not. If she does not assume the feminine form of her husband's highest title upon his accession, she will be in the same position in which she is now - entitled to it by a millennium-old custom and practice (common law?) but downgraded by personal choice. Such a choice would be no more (and no less) illegal than her choice not to be known as Princess of Wales. Surtsicna (talk) 20:10, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
You mention three sources of Law in the UK: 1. statute law ("Does such a law exist?); 2. Common Law; 3. Constitutional law. You mention in the case of Spain that it is specified (written). While the constitution in the UK is not entirely written (uncodified), that does not mean that there is no such thing as Constitutional law. Many royal powers derive from this source. While it may not be conveniently written down (as in a statute), that does not mean that it does not exist. So I think that we can take it that the wife of a King, unless explicitly debarred in a statute, may expect to hold the title of Queen. Is this seriously in doubt by @DrKay: or @Surtsicna:. If not, then the discussion can move forward. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:52, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
There appears to be no dissenting voices to what I wrote immediately above. Since silence assumes consent, I'll try to move the debate forward. So, given that in British constitutional law that the wife of a king is entitled to hold the title of Queen, does anybody know of any law (from any of the 3 sources), by which the wife of a king may, at her choosing or the choosing of the king, refuse the title of Queen? While the King may confer titles, is he also empowered to refuse titles, even ones that are constitutionally given? Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:46, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
As this page has failed to attract quantities of editors to help, I'll make an appeal elsewhere for help. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:35, 9 September 2016 (UTC)