Talk:Carl Eytel

Photographer?

This page: [1] lists 16 photographs by Eytel. But I wonder in that 2 of them have dates which are not plausible. (Moreover, nothing I've read indicates that Eytel was doing photography.) I've written to the source of these photos pointing out the problem. We will see what is provided.--S. Rich (talk) 22:04, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

No response, so I'm dropping the question. Nothing anywhere else indicates Eytel was taking photos.--S. Rich (talk) 07:38, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Carl Eytel/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 08:26, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Some major issues listed below:

• "living in " - this is not true
  • Fixed
• do not link years per WP:YEARLINK
  • Fixed (although the years were for the particular years in art)
• Lead is very short
  • Expanded, but more work is in process. Fixed.
• Don't like the long footnotes; if possible use a simple structure
  • Not sure how to resolve long footnotes -- length comes from the quotes which underwrite the text without adding excessive detail in the text. Nor am I clear on how footnote length fits into GA criteria. Perhaps I can set up a Notes section for such details and leave the simplier footnotes in the Reference section. Footnote markers have been placed in numerical order in the text and combined when they are related. Also shortened. Again, I'm unclear on how too many or long footnotes comes within GA criteria. Would a Notes section, a la those in the FA Elvis Presley be better? If so, I'll need a bit more time.
    • Yes, this is a good idea. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 10:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
• Several dab links
  • Fixed (had one dab and a few links to lists)
• The many footnotes are sometimes distracting and disturbes the flow. You use footnotes for nearly every sentence, which is quite excessive
  • Fixing -- putting footnotes at end of sentences & will probably combine more of the related footnotes. As above, combined and shortened. (IMHO, fixed.) And, as above, too many footnotes?
• " – a school so-named because of a " - , which was named after a ...
  • Fixed
• Use surname + forename in the first occassion. For example don't just state "Monet"
  • Fixed
• The listy Subjects section could be conveyed to prose
  • Fixed. The one "listy" portion simply covers the various geographic features Eytel did.

--Kürbis (✔) 08:59, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Progress

Fixes and comments have been provided above. As I am better at WP:GNOME editing, my prose-ing the article up to GA standards needs a bit more time. The GA review process should not take more than 2 weeks to complete -- with that restriction in mind, I ask for the full 14 days to get this done.--User:Srich32977 (User talk:Srich32977) 09:22, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem, take your time. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 09:41, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Various items now "fixed". Made notes to the various items. Whatayathink? --S. Rich (talk) 04:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)04:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

All the issues noted above have been fixed, so the article passes GA status. Wizardman 03:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Illustrations

I would have expected much more illustrations in the article given that his work must be in the public domain by now. Also images of him would be PD if published before 1923. --ELEKHH^T 20:21, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I quite agree. My difficulty was in figuring out how to get the images from the digital libraries such as USC. The question of permissions to use the images they posses is too technical for me. The article also has links to the California State Library and Southwestern institute. Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.--S. Rich (talk) 20:30, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is a common problem with libraries and museums claiming copyright for scanned or photographed artwork. However, the official position taken by the Wikimedia Foundation is that "faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art are public domain, and that claims to the contrary represent an assault on the very concept of a public domain" Images can be uploaded directly to Commons with the template PD-Art added to any such file for clarification. --ELEKHH^T 22:34, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Find a Grave external link (b-r-D)

Per Wikipedia:External_links/Perennial_websites#Find-a-Grave "Sometimes, a [external] link is acceptable because of a specific, unique feature or information that is not available elsewhere, such as valuable images and location information of graves." In this case his gravestone with marker are provided and the location of burial is specified., This is unique information. Restoring link, but trimming the description posted in the template. – S. Rich (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

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