Talk:Censorship in Turkey

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Rethinking the "particular incidents"[edit]

Our approach of devoting a section to incidents seems untenable to me. Perhaps a better approach would be to group the cases by subject. --Adoniscik(t, c) 16:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

TV censorship of films[edit]

The most immediate way people in Turkey encounter petty censorship daily is through television. For example, films are censored to remove cigarettes and cigars, or even cigarette smoke. This is mostly done by having a moving circular blur edited onto the footage to completely cover the offending items. Wounds and even bloodstains is also obscured in similar fashion. It often takes on ludicrous extremes. I've seen saloon scenes from Hollywood Westerns that are entirely obscured by dozens of blurs because so many people are smoking cigars. For wounds, even comical injuries are censored. In Turkey, the scene in Shaun of the Dead, where a female zombie gets impaled on a pole and then pulls herself off it, leaving an enormous and obviously unrealistic perfectly circular hole through her body, is censored by a huge blurr that fills the entire TV screen! I'm just dying to see what they would do with a headless ghost! --Solri (talk · contribs), 03:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Ahmet Şık[edit]

If we're going to talk about the Nokta cases, there should also be something about the recent seizure of İmamın Ordusu. --Solri (talk · contribs)

2011 anti-censorship protests[edit]

Here and here are some pictures that are ready to be transferred to Wikimedia Commons, and used to illustrate the article. --Adoniscik(t, c) 02:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Mention of the Armenian Genocide and critique of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk[edit]

According to the paragraph added by MaGioZal (and later restored by Mavigogun), mention of the Armenian Genocide and critique of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk are the two most prominent targets of censorship in Turkey. The first edition of the paragraph was completely unreferenced, and the edition by Mavigogun, while still unreferenced, now refers to two articles in Turkish law, 301 and 5816. These articles criminalizes insulting Turkish nation and insulting Atatürk, and while there are incidents where they are used to curtail freedom of speech, they do not manifestly prohibit neither mention of the Armenian Genocide nor critique of Ataturk. (Refer to tr:Özür Diliyorum as an example to the acceptance of Armenian Genocide case [unfortunately there is no English translation]) Again, although there are cases, especially in the case of Ataturk and thus 5816, where critique is considered to be insult and thereby crime, such cases are rare, and they are definitely not the two most prominent targets of censorship in Turkey. Turkey has much more serious problems about censorship. Anti-terror laws have been very often used lately to suppress critique of the government and to arrest journalists, most of which are not jailed in because of either 301 or 5816, but of anti-terror laws. In this atmosphere, it is very difficult to claim that Armenian Genocide and Ataturk are prominent targets of censorship, although they can be mentioned in the history part. Hence, I am removing the paragraph for the second time, and please do not restore it unless you have a decent source asserting that these are currently the most prominent targets of censorship in Turkey.--Cfsenel (talk) 22:13, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

TV or Internet Blocking[edit]

Kerfuffle090 (talk) 08:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC) The TV channel "Universal Channel" from the Turksat provider has been blocked since yesterday [2012-07-17]. The channel has been replaced with a text message saying it has been blocked (but not giving any reason why).

This may also have happened a few weeks ago (same channel) but since the channel was just replaced with a black screen (no text) for a few days, I cannot be sure.

There does not seem to be any official way to find out the 'reason' for the block.

  • Universal Channel Blocked again: 2012-08-13 (approx) until (so far) 2012-08-27. The message citing law 29/3 disappeared after about 5th day now there is only a black screen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kerfuffle090 (talkcontribs) 08:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Links[edit]

>> Turkish MPs endorse Internet control law (Lihaas (talk) 15:25, 6 February 2014 (UTC)).

 Done. I added something about the new Internet law. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 17:44, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Internet Regulation In Turkey[edit]

At 11:24 on 15 March 2014‎ User:BethNaught add a "merge to" template to Internet Regulation In Turkey. I added a "merge from" template to this article a few minutes go and am creating this item as a place where the possible merge can be discussed. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 01:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Oppose. For the record, I don't think that merging Internet Regulation In Turkey into this article is a good idea. Presumably regulation of the Internet in Turkey is about more than just censorship. I think the Internet Regulation In Turkey article would be OK as a stand-alone article, but it could also be merged into the more general Internet in Turkey article. That would be more along the lines of what is done for other countries. And as it turns out the Internet in Turkey article is fairly short and could use some work to expand it. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 01:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I added the merge tag because on a cursory inspection it appeared to be about Internet control mechanisms. On a more careful rereading there is a lot that isn't censorship. Therefore per your reasoning I withdraw the merge request, though I suppose the discussion should stay open in case anyone else wants to comment? I apologise for the inconvenience; I shall be less hasty in future. BethNaught (talk) 07:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

As a reviewer of the article, "Internet Regulation in Turkey", I believe it is separate from Internet in Turkey, and it only exposes (without any sort of judgement) the current Internet regulation. There is no need to tag "Internet Regulation in Turkey" as Censorship. The article only addresses the structure of the competent bodies, of the regulation as it is nowadays, and some of the impact it has caused. I will proceed to remove the tags. Any further comments may be addressed in further discussions. --J.GalQ (talk) 19:52, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Newgrounds[edit]

What about Newgrounds? That was blocked in Turkey too. --BooCookie (talk) 12:01, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Freeedom House/Freedom House[edit]

The reference list at the bottom directs to the article Freeedom House, but it's generated by reflist, which i've never seen error this way. There are no Freedom Houses references inline that I could find spelling it this way. Didn't know where else to put this, so I threw it in talk ourweakness (talk) 04:49, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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Doubled word in title[edit]

Today's page move introduced an error, as the page title currently reads Censorship in in Turkey (doubled word "in"). I'm reluctant to move the page myself to correct the error in case the move is contested, however. Funcrunch (talk) 16:32, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Mardetanha, the editor who performed the move. Funcrunch (talk) 16:33, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
it was my mistake and later it was fixed by an admin, I didn't see it at the time I moved the page, sorry Mardetanha (talk) 20:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

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