Talk:Chris Hughton

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Managerial stats tables

We wouldn't include stats for when a manager was assistant manager of a club, and this wasn't done for Mr Hughton. However, it's standard practice to include stats for periods of caretaker management in managerial stats tables, because a caretaker manager is in charge of the first team and responsible for its results. To leave them out would be to mislead the reader. I notice you left intact the most recent Newcastle row, which combines Mr Hughton's several months as Newcastle United caretaker at the start of the 2009–10 season and the period after his appointment as permanent manager. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:08, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Mixed-race international"

An IP editor removed cited material with this edit. I'm not sure about whether this should be in the article or not and would welcome views. --Dweller (talk) 19:46, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gah, one of those things. It was referenced and was notable so it should stay, but of course, some people don't like discussing race or gender or sexual orientation etc so they just remove it. I'd add it back along with the BBC ref. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It depends why they removed it. The real url of the cited Telegraph article, that mentions Hughton being "Irish football's first black international" (not, incidentally, "mixed-race" international), had been altered to point to a piece on the BBC website that doesn't: perhaps the anon removed it because the source didn't verify the information...

That's by the by. Coming up to his international debut, his becoming the first non-white player to play for Ireland was something of note: as in the Irish Times (26 Oct 79): "The most fascinating [youngster selected] of them all is Hughton, who seems destined to become the first coloured player to slip on the international green jersey..." (can't do a url, accessing via library). This Sunday Times piece points out he was the first black player since Walter Tull in 1907 to play for Spurs, the first black Ireland international, and mentions his work with the anti-apartheid movement. If anyone ever had time and inclination to expand the article, there's a lot more to him than football. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:20, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's so typical of you Struway2, backing up good quotes with great research..... Wouldn't it be great if we could make Hughton's article a decent one with the collaboration of WP:FOOTY, Dweller, you and some also-rans (the rest of us)? I made a casual comment to a colleague today that Hughton was the first ever black manager of Norwich (relatively unusual in England, leave alone East Anglia...) so it'd be good (while wishing not to be patronising) for us to make a good fist of the article. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:27, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Careful, Struway, analysis of citations and hunting new ones? You'll give us all a bad reputation. TRM, I likes yer thinking, my friend. --Dweller (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be happy to help, though not sure how good I am at collaboration... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:00, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What about this story by Cyrille Regis?!? --Dweller (talk) 21:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC) I'm finding more and more race-related material. And I'm not even looking for it. See this ([1]) --Dweller (talk) 21:39, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@ Dweller: Comments about the ethnicity of players were much more frequent when ethnic players were a rarity. For example, Albert Johanneson, was often described as the first black player to play in an FA Cup final. He was also, "the only black player playing in Div 1". Personally, I see no problem referring to race where the player creates some sort of "landmark" or record. Elsewhere, there is a reference to Walter Tull, who was the first black player to play for Spurs. Hughton came sixty years later as far as Spurs were concerned, but was a first for Ireland. 46.7.85.68 (talk) 17:07, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Hughton

I notice on Wiki, the custom of listing siblings and links to those sibling's pages. I see no mention of his brother Henry, though on Henry's page. the custom has been maintained.46.7.85.68 (talk) 17:10, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Try Chris Hughton#Personal life. He's been there since 2012 and was elsewhere in the article before that, though it could do with sourcing. If you have a reliable source for those facts (specifically, for that Henry Hughton being the brother of Chris, not just for someone called Henry Hughton playing for those clubs), please add it to the article, it'd be much appreciated. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:59, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies: I missed the reference you mentioned. Regarding sourcing a lnk, there are quite a few, but these tend to be from football message boards. Though I am confident that they are brothers, I would not use these as a source because they tend to often reflect banter, opinion and conjecture which are hardly up to Wiki's standards as sources.46.7.85.68 (talk) 11:31, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]