Talk:Cleveland Torso Murderer

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Needs a bit more polish - I believe he always beheaded his victims, for instance.

Brian Rock 03:54, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)


How does one murder a torso? RickK 03:56, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Well, I don't know, exactly, why they gave such a strange name - actually several - to the killer. The beheadings really got to folks, and I guess they just put "Torso" and "Murderer" together. Another name frequently used is the "Torso Killer" - your comment applies, but it sounds even worse.
I also never figured out why the Kingsbury/Kinsbury run spellings aren't consistent.
Thanks for the help. Brian Rock 04:16, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Kingsbury Run is a winding watershed or culvert, named after James Kingsbury, one of the earliest white settlers of the Western Reserve. Kinsman Road after which the Kinsman neighborhood is nearby Kingsbury Run, but I could not find the original for the name of Kinsman. Is that the inconsistency you were referring to? Horwendil (talk) 20:40, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Graphic novel[edit]

The graphic novel by Brian Micheal Bendis 'Torso' which details Eliot Ness and his time with the investigation, is possibly worthy of inclusion on the main page. I leave it to someone else who has read the piece to determine.

Pictures needed[edit]

I've put a request on Wikipedia:Requested pictures for one or more pictures of the victims' death masks that the Cleveland Police Museum has (had?) on display. If any of you frequent downtown Cleveland during business hours and could drop in and take some digital photos (if it's allowed), I think we can get the article promoted to a feature article. Thanks. Catbar (Brian Rock) 00:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Delisted GA[edit]

This article did not go through the current GA nomination process. Looking at the article as is, it fails on criteria 2b of the GA quality standards. No references are provided and the citation of sources is essential for verifiability. Most Good Articles use inline citations. I would recommend that this be fixed, to reexamine the article against the GA quality standards, and to submit the article through the nomination process. --RelHistBuff 12:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

"G-man" or "Untouchable"?[edit]

In the "Suspects" section, Eliot Ness is referred to as a "G-man" but I have only ever seen this term used to apply to agents of the FBI; and this is how the WP article "G-man" defines it too. I will assume that the writer meant to say "Untouchable" and will change the article accordingly. Hi There 06:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Fiction about the Torso Murders[edit]

Steven Swiniarski's "The Flesh, the Blood, and the Fire" inserts the efforts of a master vampire to take over the city into a number of events from Cleveland history of the 1930s and 1940s. The Torso Murders are the focus of much of the book. 23:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Did this case inspire the serial killer 'Frank' in the 2nd season of Criminal Minds?-- (talk) 15:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

additionally, Ness is said early in the article to have had "little to do with the investigation", yet he personally interviewed at least one suspect. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:51, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

There is an interesting entry in the SCP-Wiki (a fictional wiki about covering up irrational, magical, and other strange events) about this at this ( location. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

"Official Murder" expression[edit]

"Most investigators consider the last official murder to have been in 1938."
Is there such thing as an official murder? Seems like to me like bad wording, but since I'm not a native english language speaker, I'll leave it up for other people to rewrite that sentence, if necessary. 14:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Confusing Sentence[edit]

"Lead Cleveland Police detective Peter Merylo, who along with Cleveland officials did not appreciate Sheriff O'Donnell barging into the city's long-running case, is now seen, via his memoirs, as having quietly and behind the scenes tipped the Cleveland press to discrepancies in Dolezal's coerced confessions."

This is an awkward, run-on sentence. I'd be happy to edit it myself, but I'm not sure I understand it, and I don't want to introduce a factual error. Will someone please untangle things for us? Thank you.Redshift9 18:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

"Third Suspect?"[edit]

In the section on the suspects it begins by saying that there were three suspects in the case. In the following paragraphs there are only two suspects identified. There is no mention of Jack Wilson, considered by many to be a strong contender for the murderer. Also some mention should be made of the possible connection to Elizabeth Short and the unsolved Black Dahlia case of Los Angeles. Anyone agree? Johnnyarbogast (talk) 17:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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