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Citations?

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Is it me or is this article in SERIOUS need of citations?

It seems to me that it's odd that this article has such prevalence over nebulous references, and many claims. This article is being referenced in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_%22Half-Sack%22_Epps article because of the "kutte" left rather than just referencing/improving an article about the 'colors' or one two and three piece patches, which is seemingly more important than the idea that some communities cut-off the sleeves of denim jackets and adorn them. Patch-adorning jackets also doesn't seem to be as consistent a trend as this article would make it sound like. Some people adorn leather jackets, some people adorn denim jackets, some people use pre-made vests, and some people don't cut off the sleeves of jackets at all! Centerone (talk) 17:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If its pre-made, then its a vest mate (or a gilet I suppose). I once had a demin Jacket and I cut the sleeves off. Clearly it was no longer a Jacket. So what is it now .. its a cut-off .. obviously. Jeans can become "cut-offS" by shortening the legs. Even if its done tidily, then they are still cut-offs .. they aren't shorts are they? No citations needed for common sense. justin_hay2003@yahoo.co.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.165.54 (talk) 14:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

long pants you cut off become shorts. jeans you cut off become jorts. if it looks like a skirt, but it's actually shorts, it's a skort. 2603:8001:D3F0:87E0:0:0:0:10D0 (talk) 23:12, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Subculture…?

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In the late 70ties I was member of an American archery club. Most people there wore patch vests or jackets with sleeves cut off, (you can't handle boew and arrow in narrow sleeves), we used to adorn patches telling what style/class the archer preferred and any larger tournanent offered its participants a patch dedicated to this event. So the jacket told a story. Archers are sportspersons quite far away from metalheads or bikers; so the article should not limit to subculture. Gwele kloz (talk) 17:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right after it mentions subcultures it also says "or general interests", I'd say that can include sports. Even then, this article is specifically discussing the style of garment that descends from biker cut-offs, if archery sleeveless jackets don't descend from that then they aren't what's being discussed in this article and so just happen to have some common traits. Issan Sumisu (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]