Talk:Dale Van Sickel

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All-state[edit]

Is this Dale Van Sickel and Bert Grandoff on all-state in 1920, or is that too early? Cake (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

It seems unlikely that this is Dale Van Sickel, unless he was a 13-year-old high school freshman who was also an all-state selection in competition with high school kids who were 3, 4 or 5 years older than him in 1920. (Note he was born in 1907, and he was a 22-year-old college senior in 1929.) That seems unlikely. I would guess that the "Van Sickle" of Gainesville in 1920 was an older brother of Dale; that seems far more likely than a 13-year-old all-state selection. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:33, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Cake, Dale Van Sickel was a high school senior in 1925: [1]. That means it's virtually impossible that he was the Van Sickle who was an all-stater in 1920. Must be an older sibling (or possibly a cousin). BTW, if you read the linked FHSAA release from 2011, Dale was recognized the best Florida high school football player before 1930. That's pretty strong praise to so recognized 80+ years after the fact. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:41, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
That is indeed high praise - I wonder if the purple hurricane won state or anything then, since one does not notice too many Gainesville high guys on the team as much as say Duval or Hillsborough or St Pete. I agree with you that 1920 seems too early, but Grandoff and Van Sickel are big names on the 28 team you don't see often elsewhere. I had to wonder if they were some elite freshmen or had brothers. Pretty sure whoever Nolte is was a Gator too. That they simply put Van Sickel as "athlete" means I can hardly rule out he was at halfback, or put there on an all-team. Cake (talk) 16:48, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Gainesville High (and Buchholz High later) had outsize influence among Florida high schools because of its association with the University of Florida. The university and its college of education were instrumental in the organization of secondary education in the state during first 40 years of the 20th Century. Most of the early high school curricula were developed at the university. And prior to the organization of the P.K. Yonge School, the Gaineville high schools were the de facto lab schools, and a higher percentage of Gaineville kids actually went to high school than most other areas. There was a similar influence in high school sports. To my knowledge, statewide sports championships were not played during the 1920s; FHSAA tournament records start in 1963.
BTW, if you look at Van Sickel's November 1907 birth date, you will see that he would have been a 12-year-old (not 13) for most of the 1920 season, playing with 15, 16, 17 and 18-year-olds. That seems very unlikely. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
There was not a playoff system but there were effective state championship games and champions. Have to wonder if Van Sickel and McDowall ever played together at Gainesville (who I guess weren't the purple hurricanes yet, but the orange blossoms). Someone for the FHSAA really should compile the all-state teams.
For what it's worth, if that is Dale Van Sickel (I understand it is likely not – however either way it is uncanny), both George B. Sparkman and Wes Chandler were halfbacks in high school and ends in college. You spoke of my finding photos in yearbook and university collections. Are there any which pique your interest in particular? It is worth focusing on a few sources for extra digging. Some great pictures of Libertore and Infante in the 63 yearbook. Cake (talk) 15:01, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Solved. It's Talmadge Van Sickel his older brother. His parents were William Milton Van Sickel and Ella McGaen. William, Ella, and Talmadge are all born in a town called Wheeling in Guernsey County, Ohio. William owned a photography studio in Gainesville. Rainey Cawthon's family lives nearby the Van Sickels. Cake (talk) 22:46, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Also note the 1921 Duval team was the original state champ. Compare this. Cake (talk) 21:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)