Talk:Dame Paulet's Almshouses

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Did you know... that an inscription above the 16th-century doorway of the Dame Paulet's Almshouses reads "No Domi Ni" instead of "Anno Domini" because the original was misread by a stonemason during a 1930s restoration?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a Primark store in Burton upon Trent, Staffordshire has a 16th-century doorway? "It's a rather inconspicuous stone doorway hidden behind a series of bike racks in the town centre which is now part of the wall of the town's Primark store, in High Street ... The stone structure which nowadays forms part of the shop's side wall in fact dates all the way back to 1593." from: Kreft, Helen (2 March 2019). "Historic Burton structure you might never have known was there". DerbyshireLive. Retrieved 23 July 2021.
- ALT1:... that the women in the Dame Paulet almshouse were entitled to a gown, a smock and an apron every year? "Each woman was to be given 26s. 8d. and a gown, smock, and apron annually; any remaining money was to be spent on repairing the almshouse," from: A History of the County of Stafford: Volume 9, Burton-Upon-Trent. London: Victoria County History. 2003. pp. 156–162.
- ALT2:... that the 16th-century doorway of the Dame Paulet almshouse reads "No Domi Ni" instead of "Anno Domini" because it was misread by a stonemason during a 1930s restoration?"Interestingly, a mason "ignorant of Latin" who was given the task of restoring the crumbling doorway in the 1930s, reworded the Latin inscription over the top of wrongly ... It once, correctly, said 'Anno Domini 1593'. However, the stone mason got in a pickle and changed this to 'No Domi Ni' ... The original inscription was 'Anno Domini' but the first two letters being entirely obliterated the mason thought that 'No Domi Ni' was more symmetrical than 'Anno Domini' so he engraved the letters accordingly. from: Kreft, Helen (2 March 2019). "Historic Burton structure you might never have known was there". DerbyshireLive. Retrieved 23 July 2021.

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Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 14:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC).[reply]

... Thank you @Dumelow:. Article is new, long enough, referenced and no copyvio issues. The hooks are in the article, interesting and all followed by inline citations to references containing hook information. QPQ provided. Approving all 3 hooks. Whispyhistory (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Dumelow, Thank you for writing the article. I am curious about the article title, why "Dame Paulet almshouse" rather than "Dame Paulet's Almshouses" or "Lady Paulet's Almshouses"? Also I would prefer relocation to disestablishment as the almshouses and almswomen still exist on another site. TSventon (talk) 07:31, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TSventon I wrote it originally about the structure which I took as a single almshouse, but I see the sources all use almshouses. I am happy for you to refactor it as you think best, I can move it to whichever title you prefer afterwards. Also, no objection to however you want to title the final section - Dumelow (talk) 07:39, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dumelow, I have gone for Dame Paulet's Almshouses, although other names are used. Almshouse (singular) is fine for the building. Dame seems to be the equivalent of Lady used in the sixteenth century and is used in Dame Paulet Walk. I have looked at a sample of articles and we usually capitalise almshouse names when the have one. Dame Paulet seems to be borderline notable as foundress of Trinity College, Oxford, so I have expanded her details, but I don't think a separate article is needed at this stage. TSventon (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks TSventon, I've moved the article to match your title. I had similar thoughts on Paulet's notability: I think it could survive as a standalone article but don't know how much it could be expanded above what you have added here - Dumelow (talk) 09:20, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It would be possible to add the dates of her marriages and more about her role at Trinity, also that she was listed as a Catholic recusant. A bit more detail would still fit into the current article. An eighteenth century life of Sir Thomas Pope devotes pages 188 to 211 to Elizabeth and her family. TSventon (talk) 10:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dumelow, I have added coordinates based on the approximate location of the door on Google maps, please correct if you can do better. TSventon (talk) 12:26, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]