Talk:David Silva

I want to edit this page!

I have the same problem here, he's played 2 games for manchester city, not 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.106.253 (talk) 01:03, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Only one game and no goals. This statistic only relates to Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only. This table shows further data. gonads³ 06:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

That Really isnt true. The statistics for his club include any european games, for example, the EUROPA league, in which they won the game 1-0 thanks to mario balotelli. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.105.168 (talk) 11:35, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

For the love of God people PLEASE READ CAREFULLY. Stroll down to the bottom of the infobox where it says "* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only ". That is a convention in all Wikipedia footballers article. We cannot allow Silva's page to deviate from the norm here just because you want it.Craddocktm (talk) 15:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

the total number oF goals is wrong. The total is not the right sum of the parts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.60.144.66 (talk) 15:24, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

the total number oF ASSISTS is WRONG. The total is not the right sum of the parts 6+5+8 IS NOT 18

Race&Ethnicity

I've seen plenty of fotos of david and his family,sibs and they are clearly of asian descent you can tell by the facial features. My question is of what Ethnic origin? I know the Spanish players call him "el Chino"(the chinese) as a petname but this could be the misconstrued notion that all asians are Chinese. Some other people claim he's Korean so can someone find reference to this so it can be put up on here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anen87 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Well I just answered my own question. I did extensive research went into a Spanish forum where they were wondering what his exact Asian ethnicity was: Korean or Chinese ancestry like people were mixing him up to be and came to that he's actually Japanese it linked me to a Spanish news website laprovincia (translated by me) the opening paragraph they describe him as half canary, half Japanese..."Fernando Jimenez, a former municipal police officer and currently responsible for the safety of the stadium for Valencia CF. Married to Eva Silva, a gorgeous canarian of Japanese descent hence the boy's oriental features, Fernando and his wife have two children in addition to David." [1]

So there this Spanish news website is more legit than some Korean blog, so Don't Erase it!--Anen87 (talk) 19:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

There are sources of Silva's Korean heritage from yahoo.co.kr website (not a blog) and although I can't find it online, it was also mentioned in Marca 15 april edition. if you can't read Korean, use google translate.

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Marca is just a "junk food news". They havent detailed information and this is full of doubt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaga371 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I want to point out to everyone that MARCA made a mistake in publishing that post that said he was Korean and they took it down long ago after finding out they were wrong.--Anen87 (talk) 05:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Uhm he's not Korean, nor Japanese, NOR Chinese. He's Filipino! His mother is of Filipino descent, for the love of God.Cantouchthiss (talk) 23:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry no source; therefore no truth to that.--Anen87 (talk) 20:09, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I am from Gran Canaria. Arguineguin, the place where Silva was born is in the south of Gran Canaria, the island. The city of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, is the capital and it is in the north (far from Arguineguin, a different town). So, I think it is more accurate to say "he was born in Arguineguin, Gran Canaria". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.28.225.39 (talk) 14:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I am from Canary Islands also, and Silva is not from Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, the city in the north of the island, called Gran Canaria. In addition David Silva is the image of the island, Gran Canaria. If you want some additional information to confirm this issue, see Spanish Wikipedia: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Silva. I beg you to change this in order to improve this information. Thanks a lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smarlor (talk • contribs) 18:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

"Before he leaves, there's one last question. Something that has taken on almost urban myth proportions on the Internet: Silva's supposed part-Asian ancestry. Quite simply, is it true? "No, No," smiles Silva. "It's been in the press before, but my family has no Asian background whatsoever, please clear that up for me!"" From http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jen_chang/06/12/alonso.arbeloa.silva/index.html#ixzz1bBmp5XpE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.109.197.143 (talk) 02:34, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

References

Liverpool

Is it relevant to keep the section regarding the rumoured £7m bid for him?

I would remove it, but am unsure on any vandalism repercussions —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malcuthrad (talk • contribs) 14:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Silva

This is a Portuguese surname. Does he have Portuguese ancestry? Spiderone (talk) 15:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Silva Name Meaning and History is Portuguese, Galician, and Jewish (Sephardic): habitational name from any of the many places called Silva, or a topographic name from silva ‘thicket’, ‘bramble’.source here--Anen87 (talk) 20:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

88 Goals

I am pretty sure I would have heard about him scoring over a goal a game for his club. That would make him the hottest property in world football. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.220.120.246 (talk) 19:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

lolwut?

"Versatile and skilled, Silva is capable of playing on either wing or as a traditional number 10, and sometimes as a supporting striker or even as a Unicorn." Funniest sentence ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.180.121 (talk) 01:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I spilled my coffee! Hilarious.163.1.243.155 (talk) 08:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from Darbymark, 31 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

The line at the top that says "He joined Man City in a swap deal for Jo" is incorrect.

Darbymark (talk) 10:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

 Done Algebraist 10:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Man City

I hope fellow editors can refrain from changing Silva's current club to Man City for the time being. The transfer has not been formally completed - it will only be completed after the world cup and subject to a successful medical. Silva WILL join Man City, but HAS NOT joined them yet, which means he is not yet a Man City player. Craddocktm (talk) 18:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I would recommend locking Silva's profile until his transfer is completed, I think I've reverted it back 3 times. XTomScottx (talk) 12:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

All this waiting for a medical so he can be listed as a Manchester City player on Wikipedia is much ado about nothing. He is listed on Manchester City's website as a player, how more official do you want it to be?? Perhaps someone should get the red carpet at the City of Manchester Stadium? Stevo1000 (talk) 13:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Although he has signed a contract, the terms require him to pass a medical exam. Until this have happened and all sides are happy the move cannot be classified as completed. gonads³ 17:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Just list him as a Manchester City player instead of all this "have to wait until after the World Cup, needs a medical" nonsence. Like you say, he has signed a contract

I would have thought the logic is quite straightforward. All the sources say Silva will join after the World Cup and a medical. The word "will" tells you he is not yet a Man City player.

Silva has signed a contract, but so what? It doesn't mean he's a Man City player. Formalities have to be complied with. For example, nobody would say one has completed the purchase of a house when he has only signed a draft contract - you need to sign the title deed to complete the deal. Nobody would say one's married when all that is done is that his girlfriend has accepted his proposal - you need to get registered. Similarly, nobody would say Silva has completed his transfer when he hasn't had his medical.

For an example in football, look at Man Utd's new boy Javier Hernandez. The contract was signed in April 2010, but that didn't immediately make him a United player, and Wikipedia editors refrained from changing his "current club" to Man Utd. He didn't become a United player until 1 July 2010, when United announced so on their website:[2]. Contrast it with this piece of news back in April, when it said the deal was "agreed":[3]. We are waiting for similar confirmation from Man City. Craddocktm (talk) 11:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

This is silly though, waiting for a player to pass his medical so you can announce he is a Manchester City player?? Seriously?

Don't see how silly this is. We are being strict about Wikipedia's content. At any rate, it is clear consensus that he should be listed as Valencia's player for the time being. Just wait a little while longer and you can then make the edit you want. Craddocktm (talk) 18:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

FOR GOD SAKE PEOPLE, HE HAS SIGNED AFTER COMPLETING A MEDICAL!!!![4] What more 'official confirmation' do you want???

That's good for me. No squad number yet though. gonads³ 22:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

He joined them he passsed a medical and agreed terms and everything. It's official. I have put it up twice now. Quit reverting it, their are many credible sources confirming it! Click on the links, references, I put up before you delete it PLEASE! Rupert1904 (talk) 22:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. References fixed. Have I missed anything? gonads³ 22:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

If I reverted a valid source, I apologise. I couldn't see anything obvious. gonads³ 22:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

MCFC official site says David Silva will wear the number 21 shirt for Man City. Here:[5] - third paragraph down [User:Stevo1000|Stevo1000]] (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

At last, a source. gonads³ 23:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Duplication of references

Any thoughts on how to best provide the references within this article? Some duplication from the lead and the Man City sections. I think three references in two places might be more than required. gonads³ 18:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I guess that's it. Sorted by VascoAmaral. gonads³ 17:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Asian descent

Please discuss sources and changes here. The WC attention and asian descent was in the press in 2010 and I've included a direct interview with Silva by a Korean journalist. In it Silva states that his grandfather is from the Philippines which explains his mother's maiden name, Jimenez. If there are recent sources that shed a different light to this please provide it. However an older article from 2008 or the Marca article for that matter are old and in error in lieu of Silva's direct statement.Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Filipino or Japanese?

Im with Melonbarmonster2 (talk), our most recent source quotes Silva saying he's of Filipino descent. We have only one other link calling him Japanese, however, I'm Spanish and I know in Spain, people call an Asian person "Japonés" or "Chino" a lot of the time, so it could easily be a mistake. He has a full Spanish name, a large amount of Filipino people have Spanish surnames and is the only Asian country where Spanish names are common place, therefore, the link saying he is Filipino sounds a lot more likely to me - not forgetting that it's a lot more recent too. DVilla21 (talk) 20:30, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible his mother's half Filipino and half Japanese? Let me be a neutral. Let's see the sources? I'll invite all parties to discuss. gonads³ 20:52, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe... Both sources are on the page - [1] is the Filipino link, [2] is the Japanese link. DVilla21 (talk) 21:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps there's a way to word it better, avoiding the issue until a better source becomes available. Is it really that important? Let's try not to war on this. I've a feeling an admin maybe viewing shortly. gonads³ 21:49, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

David does NOT speak Korean nor good English that's why i said i prefer a spanish source cause that is his native language. This Korean Newspaper you put is the same one that got it wrong in the first place saying he was korean. I find it wrong to disregard the source of his native country and replace it with this Korean one. All I'm saying is find a different realiable source that is all.--Anen87 (talk) 22:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Let's try and find something better. Both sources are clearly conflicting and finding another might substantiate the other. Whichever it might be. gonads³ 22:08, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Who likes a challenge? Yes, then why not raise a query here. gonads³ 22:11, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't see the logic behind a Spanish source being more reliable because Silva speaks Spanish. The best way forward, I think, is to put down that Silva has Asian descent, but sources conflict as to whether his mother is Filipino or Japanese. Craddocktm (talk) 17:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} Since no reliable sources exist, in this section, please replace the text: his mother is of Japanese and/or Filipino descent. With: his mother is of Asian descent. Thank you. gonads³ 20:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

LOL. Hey guys, how is this even debatable?

The Marca report that has been since reported as false was dated April 15, 2010. In response to various false claims about his asian descent, Silva gave a direct interview where he is quoted on April 30, 2010 as saying that that his mother's maiden name is Jimenez and of Filipino descent. This is not only the clearest, the most credible and clearest evidence, it is Silva's only direct statement about his Asian roots. I don't know about you but I haven't met any Japanese or Korean Jimenez's.

Also note that this interview was conducted directly as a result of questions surrounding his Asian heritage including claims of Japanese, Korean or Filipino heritage following the Marca report. The Provincia article[6] is from 2008 before even the Marca report. It is outdated by even the Marca article and it is an example of the various rumor's about Silva's Asian descent before April 2010.

Lastly, for purposes of wikipedia articles, the standard to be used in determining what's proper for references is WP:verify and WP:CIT. It is NOT whether the article is in Spanish or any other non-English language. Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 20:58, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

@Melonbarmonster2 sorry but it IS and Is still debatable. The fact that you state he's possibly philippino yet FAIL to link a source of such interview!!! It seems to be non-existing and as far as I know untrue until we're directed to such interview. I speak spanish so I'm a great candidate to understand what he's saying.--Anen87 (talk) 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

well this link says his maternal grandfather is Korean.. It's very confusing http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/groups_and_teams/team/spain/david_silva — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckyj (talk • contribs) 05:15, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Lead

User:DVilla21 has made a number of changes to the lead:[7]. What concerns me most is the last paragraph:

Having representing Spain many times at youth level, he made his début for the senior squad in 2006 and has since regularly started for the team and represented his country at Euro 2008 and 2010 FIFA World Cup, helping them become eventual winners of both competitions.

This edit is problematic for a number of reasons:

1. "having representing" is wrong grammatically;
2. What is "many times"? Does his youth caps qualify as many times? No reliable sources are given on this specific point.
3. Whether he has regularly started since his debut is debatable. He certainly had not been a regular at the world cup. Again, no reliable sources on this point.
4. Whether he actually "helped" is also plain POV pushing. He played in the competition, but that does not equate help as he could have contributed either positively or negatively. Again, no source says he "helped" Spain to win it.

I believe the edit made by me [8] is a more neutral and acceptable edit of the article.Craddocktm (talk) 15:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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Japanese

An earlier version of the article cites an article where David Silva denies the rumors about his Asian ancestry. Why was it removed? See,

Before he leaves, there's one last question. Something that has taken on almost urban myth proportions on the Internet: Silva's supposed part-Asian ancestry. Quite simply, is it true? "No, No," smiles Silva. "It's been in the press before, but my family has no Asian background whatsoever, please clear that up for me!"Pilea (talk) 08:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Filipino

After little browsing, I found an interview article on Sportal Korea that can finally put the argument to rest! http://www.sportalkorea.com/news/view.php?gisa_uniq=20100430015904&section_code=20&key=&field= I know this may be of little use to those who can't read Korean, but it's basically a reporter from Sportal Korea asking David Silva about his mother's background. There were reports from Marca, claiming Silva's mother is half-Korean. but it turns out, from Silva himself, that his maternal grandfather is a Filipino. Luckyj (talk) 05:33, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

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Hasn’t he left Manchester City now?

Hasn’t he left? AngusMacintosh (talk) 19:47, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Club career section is massively unbalanced

So, his club career starts off with Valencia where he spent 7 seasons at senior level, plus a further three seasons at youth level where, as a youth international he was regarded as an up and coming star. That whole part of his career gets a measly four paragraphs in total to cover the decade.

Then we get to Man City where his 10 seasons are dealt with in excessive detail, each season getting its own section of 4-5 paragraphs. Many of them are problematic. Here's an example:

>>>"On 12 February 2011, he was credited for the equalising goal in the 2–1 loss to rivals Manchester United when an Edin Džeko shot deflected off his back and into the net. On 2 March, he scored from 20 yards out in an FA Cup win (3–0) against Aston Villa. Three days later, he scored the only goal in Manchester City's win against Wigan Athletic. Silva netted the third goal in City's 5–0 rout of Sunderland on 3 April. His assist to Yaya Touré against Everton at Goodison Park took Silva to 15 assists in all competitions for the season."<<<

That whole section has been unsourced for 3 years but that's not the issue. Do we really need a season-by-season, game-by-game account of all his goals and assists, including in some cases, exactly how he scored them in mundane league games? In a later season section we learn that:

>>>"On 11 November, he provided the crucial assist, a lofted through-ball, to striker Edin Džeko, who converted in the 88th minute to steal a 2–1 victory over Tottenham Hotspur"<<<

So? There is nothing notable about that, I would expect an account of his club career to include a summary of how he did. By all means notable goals and assists (ones which won a trophy) would be included, but there's no need to go into such detail which looks more like it belongs on a Man City fansite, as do the following phrases currently in the article:

"his stellar record of goals and assists"
"one of his most productive spells in the Premier League"
"a slew of excellent performances"
"an ingenious backheel flick"

I would chalk all that up to WP:RECENTISM, but then his most recent 3 seasons back in Spain are similarly ignored, earning a meagre 3 paragraphs in total. Besides the fact that his Valencia and Real Sociedad sections need expanded, the Man City section needs drastically reduced and I propose to do that unless anyone objects. As he won more in England I fully expect more on that, but not 45 paragraphs covering that decade and 7 paragraphs covering his 13 years in Spain. Valenciano (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2023 (UTC)