Talk:Deaths in July 2019

Vivian Perlis Slipped Disc source

The citation is not attributing anything to the report sourcewise, just "we're saddened to learn". It's essentially a written out tweet. That's why i've removed it. Rusted AutoParts 19:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

They're saddened to report, not learn. If Lebrecht is an actual reporter, he can keep his source anonymous and use a royal "we". If he's a blogger, nope. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:00, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Norman Lebrecht's article says he was a reporter almost 50 years ago, and a blogger today. Somewhere in between, he may or may not have taken up lying. Tough call. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:14, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Is this blog better or worse than ArtForum and ArtReview, whose bearers of bad news don't even attribute their stories to themselves, much less a named source? Are Crimp and Nieluchowski really more likely dead than Perlis is? Was the latter artist even alive? Could Creedence Clearwater Revival be taken seriously as a band if they started acting like one so long after Norm stopped being competent enough for his nation's hypnotic airwaves? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

For a very long time, Slipped Disc has been accepted as just about okay until something better comes along. Therefore the removal, assuming consensus agrees the historic "rule" still applies here, was incorrect. Ref ^(chew)(do) 05:58, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

According to his Wikipedia article, Norman Lebrecht was an arts columnist until four years ago, (including a stint as assistant editor until ten years ago), and on BBC Radio until three years ago. As for his blog, there is something that adds credibility (apart from her great age!) and that is the lone comment so far by famed American conductor, author and composer Leonard Slatkin. Check out his Wikipedia article, if you're interested. Editrite! (talk) 06:14, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Paul Shramka notability

My condolences to the Shramka family, but I do not see the "notability" required by Wikipedia to not only list him here (July 8, 2019), but to even have an entry/article in Wikipedia.

It appears that the related entry/article was written by either a family member or someone close to Paul Shramka. Look at how the "External links" section is formatted.

In addition, the wording on the "Deaths in 2019" page after his name seems to be in error.

Again, my condolences, but I think "notability" needs to be looked at.

What do the rest if you think? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

You are addressing the wrong Talk page. You need to start this conversation at the Paul Schramka article Talk page. As the subject retains an undeleted bluelink article, we will continue to feature this notable baseball player in the Deaths page. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:27, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

As for the wording, he was confirmed as 91 years old (check), and he was an "American baseball player (Chicago Cubs)" (check). Where is it wrong? Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:29, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Schramka's listing here included a misplaced conjunction, which I have removed. As for notability, Schramka fulfills WP:NBASE#2 because he has appeared in at least one game in any one of the following active major leagues: Major League Baseball, Nippon Professional Baseball, KBO League, or have participated in a major international competition (such as the World Baseball Classic, Baseball World Cup or Olympics) as a member of a national team. As such the article is unlikely to be deleted. Schramka was notable for his two-game stint in Major League Baseball, which is mentioned on this page. He was not notable for holding other occupations, so they are not mentioned here. However, the verifiable fact that he held other jobs is cited to reliable sources on the article about him. Vycl1994 (talk) 14:34, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

My apologies for talking about two things here; but I did because they are related.

As for his notability for a "two-game stint" in which he had no at bats and, basically, did nothing in either ballgame; I find it extremely difficult and hard to see anything notable about that.

Unless, now, the lack of "notability" is considered notable. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 16:15, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

I've edited the Schramka article, but was not involved in the creation of the page. You are welcome to take concerns to the article's talk page or a deletion discussion. The article's talk page isn't watched by many editors, and so a quick response there is unlikely. The baseball related notability guidelines will be referred to at any baseball-related deletion discussion, and the aforementioned guidelines do not require offensive production of any sort. For several others that had short MLB careers, see cup of coffee. The articles listed there are just as unlikely to be deleted, until the applicable notability guidelines are amended. Vycl1994 (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Nickerson's overdose

I know it isn't in the citation here, but it's verifiably relayed in her article. I feel "seizure" alone is unduly mysterious, suggest mentioning the medication binge that her kids say got the respiratory distress/pneumonia/seizure/cardiac arrest ball rolling. I can't copy and paste, but clearer sources do exist, and RAP did revert me for no apparent reason already. If anyone else wants to rectify the sourcing issue or give a reason to omit altogether, either is fine by me. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

It was the seizure that rendered her comatose. Her death was preceded by a few things: the overdose that prompted the hospitalization, then pneumonia and finally the seizure. It hasn’t been fully said that the seizure was prompted as a result of the overdose so for now I think it’s best to just keep it as seizure or complications from a seizure. Rusted AutoParts 21:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. I can buy that. An edit summary in a reversion never hurts, though, just for future cases. Thanks for fleshing out Rip Torn's pipelink again, I was just being lazy when I readded it in brief, if you wondered. The seizure was definitely a complication of something, though, not the other way around, so I'll oppose that last suggestion. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Rumen Surdzhiyski has passed away on 11.07.2019

Hi Everyone! I'd like to inform you that on 11.07.2019 passed away the Bulgarian film director Rumen Surdzhiyski, author of a number of films and theatrical productions. As in Bulgaria we don't have that practice to publish official obituaries online, I've scanned his Death Certificate and temporarily uploaded it here: https://imgur.com/0oMKmB0. As a death certificate is a very private document and can't stay uploaded as a public domain for a long time, do you think his date and place of death can be listed in Deaths in 2019?

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration!--Ivsson (talk) 12:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts to have his death reported here. However, without published verification, it cannot be listed here. Hopefully, it will be reported in some Russian trades soon. Thank you. — Wyliepedia @ 22:11, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. As I have access to all official documents, concerning his death, issued by the Bulgarian administration, do you think there's another way to verify his passing? Frankly speaking, I don't think his death will be published by any Russian media, as Russia is a completely different country from Bulgaria. Please, try to understand that his article is still under the "Living people" category, while he's pretty much deceased. He's pretty much dead.

Should you need any additional information or action from my side, please let me know.

Best regards, --Ivsson (talk) 09:51, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@Ivsson: His WP article has more scrutiny than an entry would here, but both do require published reports of his death. Since you "have access" to official documents, perhaps you should inform the media there or NATFA, even if it does not get published for a few days. Good luck! — Wyliepedia @ 10:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Wylie. I understand what you're saying and I understand that his WP article needs more scrutiny. Wherever I publish his death online, it would be on the basis of the document I presented above. I mean, even if I publish his death in some local newspaper, it would add zero credibility to this particular case. Why? Because it'd be on the basis on the official document above. NATFA, as you have suggested, do not publish obituaries. And here I stand, put in this weird situation, having all official documents, but not an official obituary. Can we think of another way?

Best regards, --Ivsson (talk) 18:55, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

No, published is the only way. As for NATFA, generally here in the States, organizations that people have long associated with announce deaths. That is how most "press releases" generate. In looking at Surdzhiyski's article, most of his sources are from books we have to take on faith as reliable. His death cannot be reported from such. — Wyliepedia @ 19:20, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Wylie. Thanks again for your response. I'll see what I can do. As for his WP article, you can be sure that all quoted sources are 100% reliable. Most of them are official Bulgarian cinema encyclopedias, created by the Bulgarian National Film Library. I'm saying this with such a certainty, because it was me who wrote it and I wouldn't abuse the faith of WP in me.

Tanks for your time and patience, --Ivsson (talk) 07:11, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2019

Please add Mona Malden, widow of of actor Karl Malden. She passed away on July 13, 2019. She was 102 years old.[1] 95.195.215.108 (talk) 13:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done – no Wikipedia article on her. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:59, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Not having an enwiki article does not prohibit entries on this psge. Notice all the red links? However, usually marital notability isn't acceptable here, which is what she seemingly was known for. — Wyliepedia @ 22:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@CAWylie: Thanks for the note. I'm so used to lists like this requiring a blue link that it didn't even occur to me to check otherwise. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Bumping this issue to point out that Mrs. Malden was actually a Broadway actress in her own right before her marriage. So that's one reason for notability.[2] Whether that constitutes a Wikipedia article or not I'll leave that up to the "mods". David French (talk) 22:31, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Don Mossi

(from User:CAWylie's talkpage)
I had seen the facebook post Friday night, but thought unverified facebook accounts also couldn't be used as sources, so I was waiting for another source. Am I missing something that would indicate the facebook page is reliable, because that would make things easier in the future. Emk9 (talk) 22:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

@Emk9: Typically across Wikipedia, neither blogs or Facebook are reliable sources. Here at DI, we tag FB-based entries as "needing a better source" (and usually another website uses FB reports as theirs); and we don't normally use blogs as sources, but, in Mossi's case they are using family reports which most likely came from his FB page. If another page gnome disagrees, then we can remove Mossi. I also see that you "allowed" his death mention on his page, using the blog source. I tagged it, but left it for the reason mentioned here. — Wyliepedia @ 01:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@CAWylie: Thanks for the clarification Emk9 (talk) 02:27, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I think the bar is flexible on this. A celebrity who more or less disappears uncontroversially decades earlier is naturally more likely to die quietly, especially if it was non-violent and unrelatable to any known "curse". This is true for accurate reporting and online hoaxes. So what's good for Mossi won't cut it for say, anybody immortalized in "Homer at the Bat". Current celebrity plus social media minus established gossips always equals immediate ejection and indefinite suspension. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Legacy source added by Emk9. — Wyliepedia @ 21:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Correction for Larry Brinton, 88, American journalist

Correction for Larry Brinton, 88, American journalist. -- Shouldn't this be listed as a television newscaster or television news reporter or something of the sort instead of journalist? Not knocking him, but I'm pretty sure journalist and broadcast reporter are different (though sometimes the lines are blurrier, for instance broadcast news magazines). It appears he was a television newscaster, not a journalist? Cheers. 40.131.75.22 talk 04:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Wrong. All news broadcasters started out as, and remain, journalists at the core. So I disagree. Ref ^(chew)(do) 06:04, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

His source says he was a "reporter and editor with the Nashville Banner, and later as a reporter for Channel 5 and Channel 4", meaning he was a "print and broadcast journalist", so his simpler entry is correct. — Wyliepedia @ 11:25, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with calling a TV reporter a journalist, despite sounding papery. But a news anchor is a different story, regardless of whether they have prior journalistic education and experience. More of a host/presenter/broadcaster deal there, reading someone else's facts from a prompter with a trustworthy cadence and confident enunciation. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:51, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Nousiainen World Cup win

There were 29 World Cup races the season Nousiainen got her win. A single win isn't notable enough to be listed here. It has never been done for the countless of other World Cup individual race winners. The race in Liberec doesn't have its own article either, so it isn't particularly notable on its own. Nukualofa (talk) 11:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

True. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:57, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

What about Lonnie Cook?

Am curious as to why no listing for Lonnie Cook, one of the last survivors from the U.S.S. Arizona during the Japanese bombing attack on Pearl Harbor who passed away on July 31 at age 98?

Maybe I'm a little 'sensitive' being a native Arizonan with a strong historical curiosity and interest about the U.S.S. Arizona. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 19:38, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Longevity of life for people only really passes basic notability in these pages if it is also accompanied by either an outstanding act or achievement in the course of their lives, or a position on a list of "oldest known persons". The former is a safe qualification for inclusion here (alongside a great age), but the latter notability is still open to debate among those who support such lists and those who don't like them, I believe. Either way, I think Lonnie misses the boat, unfortunately. Ref ^(chew)(do) 19:56, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

A quick insert here - - - I'm not talking "longevity" (I never mentioned it nor inferred it), I'm more focused on a WWII veteran who was also a survivor of the Arizona during the Pearl Harbor attack; his age was the last thing mentioned and only as a factoid, not the primary. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 23:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Although he doesn't have a Wikipedia article yet, and you make some valid points, there may be a case for notability based on the full story i.e. apart from Pearl Harbour. He took part in the battles of Midway and Iwo Jima during World War II, and was awarded at least twelve battle stars (his obituary says 14) during the war.[3] Editrite! (talk) 23:04, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@Refsworldlee: We listed Schulman on July 5 as "last living American member of the crew of the SS Exodus". Just saying. — Wyliepedia @ 00:46, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, once July ended, Schulman's entry disappeared since there was never an article about him done. However, he is listed in the "List of last survivors of historical events" article in the 1946-1960 section. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 06:11, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't oppose his addition, in that case. Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:38, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Ref, but I'd still like to see some consensus on this one. By the way . . . "misses the boat", surely not being in the Navy! Editrite! (talk) 22:24, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Do you really allow people to edit an 'encyclopedia' when they cannot even spell "Pearl Harbor" correctly?! 65.202.51.154 (talk) 07:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed. Sometimes the wrong, or additional, keys get hit or the screen keyboard is a bit sensitive and a misspelling occurs that is not noticed until later. I'm more concerned about content than one little spelling error (besides, that what editors & editing are for). 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 17:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

We even allow people to contribute when they don't have a Wikipedia account! WWGB (talk) 10:55, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Not to Deaths in 2019, it's protected.12.144.5.2 (talk) 13:18, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected. — Wyliepedia @ 14:16, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Not the Talk page. Editrite! (talk) 21:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I miss Minnie Mouse voice actress Russi Taylor the most

I think since birth all the way I fell in love with both Wayne Allwine and Russi Taylor's careers respectively as Mickey and Minnie Mouse, but since Allwine passed away from diabetes a decade ago, I've mourned over the loss of his body a little bit, but still Chris Diamantopoulos and CGI following voice actor Bret Iwan do Mickey in different projects. On the early morning of July 28, I've seen Russi Taylor's name included in the entry, the age, occupation, and notable appearances among others included with it, and the death cause that came of complications from colon cancer a day later, and I didn't get any sleep through the first half of the day. I miss Russi Taylor, and my hopes and prayers go out to her family, friends, and fans everywhere, especially her successor. Russi is, in my opinion, the most missed person in the entire Disney universe, and if someone can leave a note on my description, I'd most definitely appreciate it. Thanks, Russi Taylor, and to all of you who have helped improve her page! DakotaSunn95 (talk) 05:04, 15 September 2019 (UTC)