Talk:Ed Decker

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Sources[edit]

I took out the divorce info but it can be re-added onece a source is given. (See NPOV_tutorial#Accusations) Also created a section for criticism so it can all go in once place. Becca77Talk/Email 15:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Good job in the re-write, Tobeyjaggle. It is very neutral. Becca77Talk/Email 21:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

This article is in need of some attention. It's a bit messy and some sources are not referenced well/at all. The external links section appears to contain a number of links to similar ministries that don't appear to have a notable connection to the subject of the article. -Porlob 16:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Criticism[edit]

Some criticism is good, but this article seems exceptional critical -- to the point of not being WP:NPOV. I think this needs to be worked on quite a bit.

--RucasHost 13:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

This is Ed Decker, the one being falsely accused of things in this article.. hard to correct when your enemies know how to work the web against you.. I will make corrections and hope they stay in.. edecker@nwlink.com July 30, 2008

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POV[edit]

This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous.

It is my assertion that the comments and information concerning Ed Decker on individual lds church members websites not be considered a "reliable" source. If one wanted to state information about Ed Decker commiting adultry one would need information directly from the church or scanned information from the divorce decree. Ed's excommunication letter mentions nothing on adultry and Ed's statements are more in line with the excommunication letter than with what the two "sources" state otherwise. Also the sentence reads as though Ed Decker quit the church because of adultry, this is also not true according to the facts. The following needs to be sourced or removed. 1. Need to have official records from the LDS church showing if Ed Decker ever was counciled or disciplined for commiting adultry. 2. Official records (Church, government, verifiable statement of the former Mrs Decker) that Ed commited adultry.

If these sources do not exsist or can not be found then I will revert the changes and request that the page be locked. IowaRussell (talk) 04:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

http://www.angelfire.com/ga/kevgram/Ed.html is not a reliable source IowaRussell (talk) 09:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Can anyone tell me why http://www.angelfire.com/ga/kevgram/Ed.html as a source has not been removed? Let's keep things cleaned up here! I'm removing it unless someone can prove me otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.107.145.71 (talk) 00:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC) Also, the other two sources - one from Geocities and the other from ldsinformationstore - do not qualify as reliable sources. Removed. This last part of the article on Criticism needs rewritten due to large amounts of POV bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.107.145.71 (talk) 00:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

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Best regards —Eustress talk 00:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Complaint about article from Ed Decker[edit]

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For the record.


I was neither divorced or excommunicated for adultery. I divorced my former wife, Phyllis Ray Decker Montanari Danielson. I did so after extensive counseling with the Bishop and our Stake President and their recommendation that I do so. While I do not throw rocks, It was she who was having multiple affairs.

I remained an active Mormon for a full 7 years after the divorce and was finally excommunicated in Bellevue, WA in 1976 AFTER I requested that my name be removed from the records of the church…

The original documents from my excommunication are on file at Utah State University Special Collections Library : Collection #210, J. Edward Decker Collection, where most of all the research, books, videos, audio records, correspondence, files, etc are on file for researchers to use.

That document clearly shows their reluctance to excommunicate me and that it was”[my] decision and mine alone.

These two facts clearly show that the Wikipedia posting on your website is false and slanderous.

Text that caused the stir

Public court records from Ed Decker's first marriage state his first wife divorced him on ground of multiple adultery and mental and emotional cruelty. This is in the public divorce records of the Court along with the affidavits. The divorce was granted on those grounds.[3]


I just opened an ANI thread over it [1] This mormon critic appears to been the subject of a a tract from [2] i have removed it for now since the source is dubious at best hopefully the ANI will work its work Weaponbb7 (talk) 19:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

@Ed Decker: I appreciate how you must feel upon seeing inaccurate or poorly sourced information in your biography. In the future please point out any such inaccuracies here on the talk page instead of in the article text itself. Wikipedia is very concerned that our biographies of living persons be accurate and not contain unverified information and I assure your concerns will be taken seriously, but it is not appropriate for you to edit an article about yourself as you have an insurmountable conflict of interest on the subject. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Criticism section[edit]

Why do we have a criticism section in this article? It's my understanding that criticism should be integrated into the article, not called out in its own section. Yworo (talk) 02:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Saints Alive in Jesus[edit]

Why isn't his "Saints Alive in Jesus" organization directly mentioned in the article? -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 20:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Written like advertisement[edit]

Parts of the article seem like an advertisement for books or like a news release. Specifically, the sections "Counterculture apologetics" and "Works".

There are many dead links and much self-referencing. --Yammie2009 (talk) 22:53, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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  1. ^ http://www.saintsalive.com/who.html
  2. ^ Saints Alive In Jesus & Ed Decker - Who Are We?
  3. ^ Brown, R. L. & Brown, R. (1982) They Lie In Wait To Deceive volume 4. Mesa, Ariz. : Brownsworth Pub