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Plural Wife

There is a "citation needed" for ERS being a plural wife of the Prophet. First, look at her headstone--"Eliza R. Snow Smith." Second, look at her biogrpahy of her brother. She was quite proud to be married to (and to praise) that man!

Uh, regardless of what someone has put on her headstone, there was never a lawful wedding, and only posthumously did the LDS Church (in Utah) acknowledge the "marriage". Even "the church" at the time was denying, as was Snow herself, that such weddings were taking place, and the reason that no Mormon Church record exists to show that there was a wedding is simply because no church record exists for it. As I said, Messianic Judaism claims to be Jewish, but Wikipedia doesn't allow it because Judaism doesn't accept that Messianic Judaism is Jewish. Was Snow ever accepted into the Smith family by any Smith? If JSJr. accepted her into his family, why did he deny it at every possible public or church outlet? Even if JSJr. had 100 clandestine polygamous wives, there only exists church records and court records for the man's marriage to one woman: Emma Smith. Best, A Sniper (talk) 05:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Refs with no inline citations

I have removed several references that have no direct attribution inline in the body of the article. Please feel free to re-add them to support text directly inline, to aid readers in attributing information accurately. —Eustress ^talk 01:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References needing direct attribution in article

Allen, James B. and Leonard, Glen M. The Story of the Latter-day Saints. Deseret Book Co., Salt Lake City, UT, 1976. ISBN 0-87747-594-6.
Beecher, Maureen Ursenbach, editor. The Personal Writings of Eliza Roxcy Snow. Salt Lake City, University of Utah Press, 1995.
Compton, Todd M. In Sacred Loneliness: the Plural Wives of Joseph Smith. Salt Lake City, Signature Books, 1997, pp. 306–41.
Palmer, Spencer J., Editor. "Eliza R. Snow's 'Sketch of my Life': Reminiscences of One of Joseph Smith's Plural Wives." BYU Studies 12 (Autumn 1971).
Peterson, Janet; Gaunt, LaRene (1990). Elect Ladies: Presidents of the Relief Society. Deseret Book Co., Salt Lake City, UT. ISBN 978-0-87579-416-7.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
Scott, Patricia Lyn and Linda Thatcher, editors. Women in Utah History: Paradigm or Paradox? Utah State University Press, Logan, Utah, 2005. ISBN 978-0-87421-625-7

Times and Seasons

I noticed that someone edited out the refs re: Snow's public denial that JSJr. was a polygamist. The refs are particularly interesting, since she claimed to have been clandestinely "married" to him just weeks (and, for the latter reference, months) before. I have of course re-inserted them. Best, A Sniper (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

External links to poems

I'm switching the links to Snow's poetry from the ContentDM site at BYU to links to Google Books. The BYU site has a lot of good cataloging data, but it can be slow and a bit painful to navigate. If someone comes up with an elegant way to include both, that would probably be welcome. Protoblast (talk) 22:22, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Emma Smith pushing her down the stairs?

FAIR has a decent article on this folklore. If other academic sources were omitted from FAIR's analysis, please mention them. They mention George D. Smith's Nauvoo Polygamy so I'd imagine any inclusion of the folklore into her biography would consider his sources. I'm not sure if this folklore is notable or not. The J. Golden Kimball page contains some silly anecdotes but I suppose that's because that's what he's famous for. Here's the FAIR link. http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Plural_wives/Eliza_R._Snow/Emma_pushing_Eliza_down_the_stairs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.46.62.54 (talk) 04:42, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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