Talk:Elizabeth May

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Former good article nominee Elizabeth May was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
March 13, 2008 Good article nominee Not listed

GA fail[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:


Comments

  • (1) Writing
    • There are various MoS problems: dates, spacing, header caps, commas. I'd suggest taking the article to the League of Copyeditors.
    • Citations go behind punctuation without a space between.
    • The correct order for headers at the end is: See also, references, external links.
    • The lead needs to be expanded to summarize all the main points of the article. See WP:LEAD.
    • Paragraphs should be longer than a sentence or two. Either combine the paragraphs, or eliminate them.
  • (2) References
    • [2] Two of the links are dead.
    • The references need to be formatted. Use Template:cite web for internet references.
    • There are citation needed tags in the article.
    • Are the two tables referenced?
  • (3) Coverage
    • Is there anything more about her personal life? A header should have more than one sentence under it.
  • (4) Bias
    • Some of her biggest criticisms should be described in detail and integrated into the article. Right now, the article reads as pro-May, except in the Chamberlain section.
  • (6) Images
    • The picture in the article is a promotional picture, thus it is fair use. As she is still alive, a free alternative is possible. That is, unless it is fair-use as it was taken by the government, but the description needs to say that. Also, you are not the copyright holder of the work unless you took it yourself.

I'm failing the article as there are just too many issues to address. When the above are fixed, feel free to renominate. Thanks. Nikki311 03:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

La très honorable??[edit]

Earlier today, someone inserted the title "La très honorable" at the beginning of the article. This is (the feminine form of) the official Canadian translation into French of The Right Honourable (note British spelling). However this title is reserved in Canada for "senior" members of the Privy Council of Canada such as prime ministers and former prime ministers, and a few other senior and former senior cabinet ministers. Although Ms. May is a national party leader, she has not yet been elected to Parliament and is certainly not a prime minister or cabinet minister, so she would not be referred to as The right honourable (or La très honorable). I am therefore deleting these words. Dirac66 (talk) 17:55, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Edit Function[edit]

Now that Ms. May is to be included in the federal election leadership debates, her Wikipedia biography page should likely be granted the same status as the pages of other major political leaders. Earlier today someone added an inappropriate word to her name and, considering we are in the midst of an election campaign, it would be best to prevent slanderous statements or lies from being posted in an effort to sway voter opinion. Dash j2 (talk) 01:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Reason for Layton and Harper reversal[edit]

There was no reason given in the article for Layton's and Harper's reversals on their position of excluding May from the debates. I recently added some information about the public outcry leading to this reversal but it has since been removed. This information was verifiable through the existing citations in the article, and adjacent to the other cited information, therefore I didn't see the need to add anything further. I am adding the information again, because as it stands it appears that Layton spontaneously reversed himself without a precipitating reason, which is not accurate.

24.235.130.68 (talk) 22:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Coalition government support[edit]

In the section on coalition government support, it claims May would have had influence in the coalition but no veto? Huh? Even if she had a senate appointment, she would have had zero influence in the government. I will delete this unless anybody can prove otherwise. MatttK (talk) 10:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Here was the original text.
On December 2, 2008, Liberal leader Stéphane Dion spoke to May about Green Party support for the coalition government of the possible Liberal-NDP coalition government. The Green Party would have had influence in the coalition government, but no veto, and the possibility was discussed of May being offered a Senate appointment.[1] May gave the support of the Green Party to the coalition government and stated that she believed that, in the Senate, “I would be seen as more legitimate (than other senators) having received, for my party, just under a million votes and still not having a seat.” [2]</quote>

References

I've changed it to remove the bit about influence in the coalition.
MatttK (talk) 21:31, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Spring Cleaning[edit]

As noted by multiple editors above, this article has needed major work for years. So, I'm going to be going through it over the next while and editing for both content and style, adding some new info and taking out whatever is improperly referenced. Please let me know if anyone has any questions of concerns. Thanks PaulNobleGreen (talk) 17:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Nice work. The one glaring issue I see remaining with this article is the number of images being used. Many of them are redundant, bringing nothing more to the article than the other images do. Consider eliminating some of them. Kingturtle = (talk) 23:27, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Kingturtle. I am a green supporter but I want to make sure that this article is as unbiased and factually accurate as possible. This is my first time editing a page here on wikipedia, but I've read over the policies on bio's for living persons and my goal is to try to have this page moved out of "B" status. Any suggestions you have are very welcome. Cheers PaulNobleGreen (talk) 00:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


Duplicate Text in Paragraph(s)[edit]

Someone had the hiccups when they were typing. Just correcting the duplicate text.Richard416282 (talk) 19:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Current events - Green Party debate[edit]

Green party shut out of 2011 debate. Is there a way to add this current event in the news to this article in a neutral point of view? It should probably be added to the Leaders debate section on the 2011 Federal election article.

For an example, a very short list of references are:

Burgmann, Tamsyn (2011-03-30), "Green's Elizabeth May will fight broadcasters' decision to ditch her from debate", The Canadian Pres, retrieved 2011-03-30 

"Debate over May diverts campaign Harper pushes lower corporate taxes, Layton would raise them, Ignatieff would add to CPP", CBC News, 2011-03-30, retrieved 2011-03-30 

Pynn, Larry; Minsky, Amy (2011-03-30), "Greens' Elizabeth May, determined to enter debate, prepares legal action", Vancouver Sun and Postmedia News, retrieved 2011-03-30 

The 2011 Vote of non-confidence was added to the Stephen Harper article, so likewise, I believe the debate issue for the Green Party of Canada and Elizabeth May should be added to this article (IMHO) An entire section was added to the article Green Party of Canada, and an excerpt should be added here as well, for the involvement of Elizabeth May in the news at the moment.

Kind regards SriMesh | talk 20:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Go nuts. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:39, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

What Does This Photo Say?[edit]

Okay, I'm an American with no dog in the fight, and with no particular feeling for the Greens one way or another. But in the context of the fast-approaching Canadian election, I'm struck by the photo of Elizabeth May on this her main article page, and its use on other related pages, such as Canadian federal election, 2011, and I have to wonder how and why that was chosen as her main photgraph.

It's a nice, happy picture to be sure; but it's very casual, isn't it? Whereas the main photos of Harper, Ignatieff, Layton, and Duceppe show them all in suit and tie - not dressed for the beach, as May seems to be. It occurs to me that the visual implication might be, "Yah, I'm not all that serious about running for office; besides, I have to make sandwiches for the kids."

Should Ms. May be presented in a more formal pose, as are the leaders of the other major Canadian parties? Why is she presented so differently? Was there some (possibly subconscious) anti-female bias at work in choosing this picture as her main WP photo? I'm just askin' . . . . Textorus (talk) 22:39, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Canadian politician editors have to deal with a problem that editors of American politicians don't, we have to take our own pictures. Pictures of American politicians can just be taken from a government website, where as the articles on Canadian politicians normally have amateur pictures, if that. If you can find a free picture were she posed, sure upload it, but this is what we have. I don't think it is a casual image of her going to the beach, she is wearing a mic, so it obvious she knew she was going to be seen, when getting dressed that day. I think too that my standards for Wikipedia pictures have been lowered, finding out that images have to be freely released, usually by users. 117Avenue (talk) 23:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
There are some photos of Elizabeth on the green party website in the media resources section [3]. While they don't specify any terms of use, my guess is that the media section is intended for free distribution. --Derek Andrews (talk) 12:23, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
If you can get the GPC to release the photos under a free license, then we can use them. Otherwise we're SOL. Me-123567-Me (talk) 02:10, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the picture in use is particularly unflattering or inappropriate. There is no trickery or malice here; this is how May dresses at public events where she expects to be photographed. In any case the current (free) image serves its encyclopedic purpose well enough, and as such, shouldn't be replaced by a fair-use image such as the ones from the Green Party website, as this violates WP:NFCC. Thparkth (talk) 12:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Education[edit]

If she has a law degree (it's not completely clear to me if she does from the text) then she has an undergraduate degree, as most universities in Canada offer a "law degree" as an LLB which is an undergraduate (usually but not necessarily a second undergraduate) degree. Dalhousie definitely offers an LLB - see link.

http://law.dal.ca/Prospective_Students/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.192.102 (talk) 17:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


http://www.elizabethmay.ca/elizabeths-story/ - just checked here it says she graduated from Dal law, changing it as there is evidence she has an LLB and therefore an undergrad, removing comment about not having an undergrad.

BLP[edit]

The two bald statements in the infobox have no context and are very misleading. They appear to be nothing more than a smear on her. Especially given that the one source makes no mention of here political affiliation with the PC. Working for someone does not mean that you share their political views. So it's been removed. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 17:34, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

The revelation that Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, a green transportation supporter, cannot ride a bicycle is the talk of Quebec media today.[edit]

See here: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/green-party-leader-not-the-only-one-who-cant-ride-211138903.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.98.158.217 (talk) 00:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

This is an exceedingly minor detail and unless it gets widespread and substantial coverage, it shouldn't be in the article. It's not exactly a "May owns, frequently uses Hummer" story. She's also known for having had hip replacements, so that probably makes it even less of a story.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:19, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Marion Elizabeth refit[edit]

I see that the article suggests that May's parents fixed up and old schooner, the Marion Elizabeth, as a gift shop and restaurant in 1974. The shop and restaurant may have needed fixing up but its use for this purposes long preceded 1974. The Marion Elizabeth was a gift shop and restaurant when I visited the area with my family in 1960. The shop was called the Paul Pix then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.88.221 (talk) 20:17, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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May's anti-Semitic views[edit]

It has been pretty clear with May's support for boycotts of Israel at universities across Canada and her support for BDS that May is likely an anti-Semite and should be documented as such. Let's stop white-washing history and stick to the facts. Personal political views have no place on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.251.56.217 (talk) 04:14, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

In what alternate universe has May ever supported BDS at all? She was against the party adopting a pro-BDS plank when that came up at the party's last policy conference, and is currently in the news for threatening to resign the leadership because the plank passed. How is that pro-BDS in any way? Bearcat (talk) 04:16, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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Perry Bellegarde[edit]

I removed the sentence "May then incorrectly mentioned that the event was held on the traditional territory of Saskatchewan's Perry Bellegarde." from Controversies#2015 Parliamentary Pres Gallery Dinner Speech. To me, this is an NPOV violation, and not backed up by the source given, which is just a video of the speech. The relevant transcript is:

"... and I'm standing in front of longhouses, of Haida, Nuu-chah-nulth, I mean ... every first ... here we are, like, has anyone bothered to mention "I am honoured to stand on the traditional territory of the Algonquin nation." Thank you. Miigwetch. And since Perry Bellegarde is here, I want to mention, we stand on his traditional territory too."

Yes, Bellegarde is from Saskatchewan, not Gatineau, but he was also the Assembly of First Nations National Chief at the time of the speech, and attended in this capacity. When May said that she was on "his traditional territory," it's pretty clear that she was using him as a metonym for the AFN and indigenous people as a whole. Insisting on including that line as part of the "controversy" of the speech seems forced and politically motivated, and a better source is needed before it can be claimed that anyone other than the editor who added that line found it incorrect or controversial. Madg2011 (talk) 19:33, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Not objecting, just noting that you're partially reverting this by St.john15. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 19:56, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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Source for "political beginnings" section[edit]

Excerpt from a 1978 edition of The Fifth Estate called "The War of Miss May" at the CBC Archives: http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/elizabeth-may-no-spray-no-way 70.27.176.245 (talk) 16:46, 24 September 2017 (UTC)