Talk:Equilibrium (film)

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Synopsis[edit]

should that be taken out?Soyseñorsnibbles 02:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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References to Other Literature section[edit]

This needs to be expanded. There are several references to Brave New world, 1984, and Fahrenheit 451 throughout this movie. If some are going to be listed, they all should be. Otherwise, just make a note that the film references these books without giving a list of specific individual examples. Whoa2000 (talk) 16:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The character Mary O'Brien's name seems to be an hommage to a central character in 1984, though the two characters represent the opposite sides of the spectrum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.23.47.9 (talk) 15:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

In order for these references to be included, you should find a source that makes the connection between Equilibrium and 1984 or Farenheit 451. Using just those books themselves would render any literary analysis original research. I agree that there are a lot of similarities going on, they just need to be sourced. -FrankTobia (talk) 18:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

1984 (novel)[edit]

Is there no reference to the novel 1984. This film is almost a direct parallel to the book. Rather than thought (1984) the target is sensing; rather than Big Brother (1984) it is Father. Both protagonists work desk jobs for the Party and both realize how the gov't is oppressing. I couldn't believe that no one thought to include that very obvious parallel for the film. One could almost say that the film was based on the novel. Scottydude talk 20:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you that the similarities between 1984 and Equilibrium are striking. I think I was the one who removed the references to 1984 from this article. The reason is because there was no reliable source demonstrating the similarities between the two, and I couldn't find any such source myself. By making the connection yourself between 1984 and Equilibrium, and including it in the article, you're engaging in original research, which is contrary to the five pillars of Wikipedia. I hope that explains why I had to remove references to 1984. If you're interested, I want to encourage you to find a critical review of Equilibrium drawing parallels to 1984 so it can be included in the article. -FrankTobia (talk) 23:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
True. I guess this is when I get frustrated, the facts are obvious but not citable. I will look for a published comparison. Scottydude talk 18:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
The movie looks and sounds like it’s trying to be both The Matrix and 1984 at the same time. Unfortunately it does really badly at both. Not sure whether it’s worth noting in the article, though. All fiction is inspired by something, after all. — NRen2k5, 20:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that people are over-hyping the links between this and other stories such as The Matrix, 1984, etc... a lot of the similarities are just due to the fact that they are all dystopian stories (I mean, 1984 has an ending about as far removed from that of Equilibrium as possible!)
HOWEVER it does say on the back of my DVD box that the Sunday Mirror descrived it as "The Matrix meets 1984", but I disagree this is anything more than meaning an innovative martial art meets dystopian themes SetaLyas (talk) 21:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
It's a lot more like Brave New World than The Matrix OR 1984. A lot more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.49.188 (talk) 23:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Bloopers[edit]

I removed the bloopers section which was added by various anonymous IP addresses over the past week or so. Each item is original research. All of the items which had been added were judgment calls through inference or synthesis. If additional resources are provided which support these observations, feel free to add them back, but please make sure that the sources support the addition. Slavlin (talk) 00:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I completely support the removal. Just my two cents. -FrankTobia (talk) 04:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Record Number of Kills?[edit]

I remember reading that Christian Bale set a record for most on screen kills (or something along those lines) with this film, I imagine it would have been here or on the IMDb, but I don't see it listed here. If it's true, and sourced somewhere, I think that would be a good addition to the article. --24.141.144.157 (talk) 01:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, he came in second when the movie first came out (after Ogami Itto) but was since surpassed by Smith from Shoot 'Em Up. Preston is currently number three, accroding to Movie Body Counts. --Koveras  08:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Pixelibrium[edit]

Did anyone see Pixelibrium by Jordan "Jordanime" Lutsch on YouTube? It is the animation form from the Hall of Mirrors scene to the killing of DuPont. You can see it here.

Copypaste[edit]

In June 2009, this article was tagged as a potential copy from the IMDB, given substantial similarity in the synopsis. Evidence suggests Wikipedia originated the text. This is what their synopsis looked like in October of 2007. This is what our article looked like. It's always good to check these situations, but it seems clear that they incorporated text from us rather than the other way around. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Time for a {{backwardscopyvio}} template. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Critical Reception Verifiability[edit]

Removed the following from the Critical Reception section: Despite this, Equilibrium has established its status as a cult movie and something of an underrated film. Regardless of the ludicrousness and "mish-mash" ideas of the film's vision of a futuristic oppressive society, many have over the years praised its originality, suspense, and twists in the story, not to mention its sophisticated yet modest approach towards action sequences. One user from the IMDB film website branded the film as an "unexpected pearl." The film received an IMDB user rating of 7.8 out of 10. In keeping with policy, content that cannot be verified is to be removed, not given a Citation Needed tag. The section could use some additional content of course, but it must be referenced an sources must be subject to an editorial process (i.e. an individual IMDb user's comment is not relevant and falls to close to original research). If anyone wishes to revert this edit and subsequently include citations for this text, it would be welcome but please post here why you are doing it.70.127.69.16 (talk) 01:44, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


Year of Equilibrium ?[edit]

I like to know in which year the story of Equilibrium takes place. For example the Blade Runner story is set to the year 2019, Surrogates to 2017, Demolition Man is in 2032, I Robot in 2035 and Total Recall is set to 2084. --Solphusion (talk) 20:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Who the hell is Jim Powney?[edit]

The last line of the plot section states:

All of this means Jim Powney knows nothing

... who's Jim Powney? 81.227.251.80 (talk) 15:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

The Matrix[edit]

I don't think this wording is exactly right:

"the film did not return well in terms of box office and was heavily overshadowed by The Matrix (a movie it was compared to directly)"

It makes it sound as if this film and The Matrix came out at the same time - but Equilibrium came out three years later. One might surmise that Equilibrium was heavily influenced by the Matrix in its style and presentation - hence the direct comparisons - but "heavily overshadowed by The Matrix" is surely a tag more appropriate to Proyas' 1998 "Dark City" than to this film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.203.208 (talkcontribs) 02:01, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I think you have a point. I've removed it. Viriditas (talk) 07:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Gun Kata section[edit]

Someone has added a comment box saying that Gun Kata is irrelevant. When I was wiffling enthusiastically about the philosophical and dystopian implications of this film, several people said "oh you mean the one with the Gun Kata" so it is clearly an aspect of the film that many people remember (and I haven't seen anything similar in other films). yewtree (talk) 14:15, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. Yes, I agree that the comment box is out of line and should be removed. Clearly it is a relavant part of the movie that deserves inclusion. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:03, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Tetragrammaton flag[edit]

It is really, really bothersome to have to give proof that the sky is blue. Sometimes, it would help before reverting to look at the edit and follow the wikilinks.

The flag of the tetragrammaton uses a cross potent. This is, at least in middle europe, an obvious dead give-away to fascism - furthermore, the colours are black, white and red, the second imperial colours that incidentally were also used by the so-called "Third Empire"'s swastika flag.

As the swastika would have been too controversial and could have led to banning of the movie (please, do your homework and check yourself under swastika and symbols of Nationalsozialismus), Wimmer used a lesser-known but still obvious fascist symbol, i.e. the Kruckenkreuz of Austria's Vaterlandsfront. It was declared "equal to the state flag" during Austrofascism in 1935-1938.

And: the use of fascist architecture in Berlin is quite sublime. At least in Europe, the Kruckenkreuz flag (it is more an amalgram of Vaterlandsfront and Nationalsozialismus flags) is really the elephant - "if you should still have doubts about the connection between the tetragrammaton and fascism, here is a big neon-coloured last hint. If you still don't get it, you alas are merkbefreit and we could not help you."

So please just do your homework. There will also be no citation that the sky is blue; and references in a wiki can also take the form of wikilinks. Read those Articles about the Vaterlandsfront flag and Austrofaschismus, compare the flags, and if you want, also add a wikilink to the Nationalsozialismus' Hakenkreuz flag (I found THAT ONE too obvious to mention, but if it helps you...). --Hornsignal (talk) 01:20, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

First of all, reverting your edit wasn't a challenge to whether or not the information was correct. It was purely based on the lack of a citation. Wikilinks are not acceptable substitutions for inline citations. Each article must be able to stand on its own set of references and not rely on a wikilink to another article's reference. Refer to WP:CITE for more information. Secondly, comparing the flags and drawing a conclusion – no matter how reasonable and obvious it might be – can be considered a form of original research which is not permitted on Wikipedia. Citing a reliable source that supports the analogy alleviates the concern. It also helps us establish the significance of the information as it relates to the topic. Without that verification, it may be a trivial observation that doesn't necessarily belong in this article (see WP:DUE). As for your "sky is blue" analogy, it's an apples-to-oranges comparison. Take for example the statement that "the Eiffel Tower is in Paris". This is widely accepted fact that doesn't require research, and therefore doesn't require a citation. However, the statement that "Gustave Eiffel designed the Eiffel Tower" would need a citation, although it is easily verifiable. It may be hard to see the difference, but the rule of thumb is when you think it may be challenged, it's best to err on the side of caution and include a citation. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)