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I saw a reference to west philadelphia. presumably this is vandalism but i'm not sure how to fix or be sure. 2602:306:CD65:4530:DD35:9E01:238A:C976 (talk) 06:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


It looks like Ethnic groups of the Middle East covers the north Africa, but I don't know how good that article is. (talk) 05:45, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

This list is rather incomplete, even when discussing the major ethnic groups. I saw no reference to Sango, Ga, Mossi, Temne, Sarahule, Ogoni, Malinke (although Bambara was there), Tuareg, or Manjak. Granted it is a lot of work, and since there are divisions of divisions they should be appropriately indicated. - Isaac —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Unorganised data removed from article[edit]

I have removed the following from the article because it is a mess with all those templates and needs incorporating properly in the alphabetical list. It is between nowiki tags to stop it making a mess of the talk page as well. I would do this myself but have no way of knowing that the data is actually valid. Most of the templates don't exist - I think this may have been dumped in from another wiki. Anyone with some knowledge on this subject, please leave a note on my talk page and I will come back and sort it out. SpinningSpark 12:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

* {{Afrique du Sud}} **[[Khosa]] **[[Zoulou]] <br> *{{Algérie}}, {{Tunisie}}, {{Maroc}}, {{Mauritanie}}... **[[Touaregs]] **[[Kabyle]] <br> *{{Angola}} **[[Tschokwe]] ou [[Chokwe]] **[[Lunda]] <br> *{{Bénin}} **[[Fon-gbe]] **[[Igbo]] **[[Yorouba]] <br> *{{Botswana}}, {{Namibie}} **[[Bochimans]] <br> *{{Burkina Faso}} **[[Bobo-Dioulasso]] **[[Ben]] **[[Bwa (peuple)|Bwa]] **[[Gan]] **[[Gouin]] **[[Lobi]] **[[Marka]] **[[Nuna]] **[[Nunuma]] **[[Winiama]] <br> *{{Cameroun}} **[[Bamileke]] **[[Bamoun]] **[[Ben]] **[[Betis]] **[[Mambila]] **[[Namji]] **[[Zande]] **[[Zingwe]] <br> *{{RDC}}, {{Congo}} **[[Bangubangu]] **[[Bemba]] **[[Bunza]] **[[Havu]] **[[Hema]] **[[Hemba]] **[[Kongo]] **[[Koulango]] **[[Kuba]] **[[Lele]] **[[Lendu]] **[[Lokele]] **[[Luba]] **[[Lunda]] **[[Loango]] **[[Mangbetu]] **[[Minungu]] **[[Mongo]] **[[Nande]] **[[Ndembo]] **[[Ngandi]] **[[Pende]] **[[Sanga]] **[[Shi]] **[[Tabwa]] **[[Teke]] **[[Topoke]] **[[Tchokwé]] **[[Toussian]] **[[Songye]] **[[Yanda (ethnie)|Yanda]] **[[Yaka]] <br> *{{Côte d'Ivoire}} **[[Akan]] **[[Baoulé]] **[[Dan]] **[[Djimini]] **[[Guro]] **[[Lagoon]] **[[Mau]] **[[Mayombe]] **[[Poro]] **[[Yaure]] <br> *{{Égypte}} **[[copte]] **[[Nagada]] **[[Nubie]] <br> *{{Éthiopie}} **[[Afar]] <br> *{{Gabon}} **[[fang]] **[[Kota]] **[[Mbete]] **[[Obamba]] **[[Tshogo]] <br> *{{Ghana}} **[[Akan]] **[[Ashanti]] **[[Fanti]] **[[Moba]] <br> *{{Guinée}} **[[Baga]] **[[Nalu]] **[[Toma]] <br> *{{Guinée-Bissau}} **[[Bijagos]] <br> *{{Libéria}} **[[Bete]] **[[Kono]] **[[Wee]] <br> *{{Madagascar}} **[[Ankaragna]] **[[Antandroy]] **[[Antesaka]] **[[Betsileo]] **[[Bezanozano_(ethnie)| Bezanozano]] **[[Merina]] **[[Sakalava]] **[[Vazimba]] **[[Vezo]] <br> *{{Mali}} **[[Bamana]] **[[Dogon]] **[[Soninké]] **[[Tellem]] <br> *{{Mozambique}},... **[[Swahilie]] <br> *{{Niger}} **[[Djerma]] **[[Kanuri]] **[[Urhobo]] <br> *{{Nigeria}} **[[Anang]] **[[Bakor]] **[[État d'Edo|Edo]] **[[Igbo]] **[[Ikenga]] **[[Mbembé]] **[[Tiv]] **[[Yoruba]] <br> *{{Ouganda}} **[[Ganda]] <br> *{{République centrafricaine}} **[[yangéré]] <br> *{{Sierra Leone}} **[[Sapi]] <br> *{{Soudan}} **[[Lurangu]] **[[Makuria]] **[[Nouba]] **[[Nzakara]] <br> *{{Tanzanie}} **[[Zaramo]] <br> *{{Togo}} **[[Kotokoli]] **[[Ewes|Ewe]] <br>

Quality of article & possible approaches[edit]

This article needs a good deal of work starting from the opening sentence (it's a bit of an overstatement to say there are "thousands, each having their own distinct language and culture"). The attempt to list all ethnic groups is something that would need a lot more input and some reorganization to reflect groupings (e.g., Bambara and Mandinka in Manding; Zulu, Xhosa in Nguni; etc.). One could consider splitting this effort into two articles, with one on Ethnicity in Africa or Population groups in Africa, discussing the meaning of the term, and the overall picture of identities in Africa. The other article could be a list of groups.--A12n (talk) 21:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Egyptians as a race? and 65 millions Berbers?[edit]

Egyptians is a nationality not a race!.. there is alot of races in egypt.. and arabs is the Majority of egypt makes 70% of Population maybe more .. and for berbers i think they 20 millions only not more than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Egyptians are racially distinct, and have been for millenia. They are the largest single race within the Semitic family of races. Culturally, they are Arab, constituting the largest individual racial group that self-identifies as being culturally Arab. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:21, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


I know there is a fair bit of confusion as to the proper name to include in a chart such as this for the Krahn-Wee-Guere tribes, but they still hold an important place in Liberian and Côte d'Ivoire history so I think they definitely deserve a place in the chart. I am also in the process of updating the Krahn people page so there can be a link to that article.--AngelKelley (talk) 22:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Deleted material[edit]

I deleted some pov material about who was really what ethnic group. Some is cited to [1] and imho is a complete misrepresentation that paper and for some reason doesn't mentions "The present research confirms anecdotal evidence in the Senegalese printed press of the decreasing size of the Serer ethnic group." The insistence here and elsewhere that the Serer are the ancestors of the Wolofs uses [2] as a source, something written by Ebou Momar Taal[3] who seems to have no qualifications that make him any sort of reliable source. The article " Normal 0 false false false EN-GB X-NONE X-NONE What Do You Mean There Were No Tribes in Africa?": Thoughts on Boundaries: And Related Matters: In Precolonial Africa" says "It turns out, to the best of my understanding, that such matters did not used to be an issue among Niumi's residents, or seemingly among persons over a much wider area of Africa's western savannas, because the distant ancestors of today's Gambians did not identify themselves-at least primarily-as members of ethnic groups (or, God forbid, tribes). How they did identify themselves is difficult to determine because of the lack of evidence, all the more so because it appears that people's primary means of identity may have changed over time. Still, at some point in the past, several centuries ago, many people living in the Niumi banko may have held several levels of identity, none of which was as a "Mandinka." The top taxo- nomic level for some seems clearly to have been with an extended family. The state's mansakiindalu identified themselves as such, above all. Sonko Jilenkunda was one such family. Its members had enormous family pride; their praise singers extolled the past greatness of its male members and recited its (seemingly fabricated) tradition of origin. Persons who joined the family-either as marital partners or long-term clients-became "naturalized" in a sense: they learned the family history, gained an identity with important ancestors, and eventually took on a new Sonko identity." Dougweller (talk) 10:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose that Africans be merged into this page, Ethnic groups in Africa. The topic is already covered here in greater detail. This will also bring it in line with European people, which redirects to Ethnic groups in Europe. Middayexpress (talk) 00:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

My opinion on the Middayexpress proposed merger proposel is that the article Africans exist as a continental "collective demonym" and should continue existing due to the many phenotypes and ethnicities that exist on the African continent as well as the African continent being the second largest continent in the world as with the phenotype and ethnicity complexity of the largest continent in the world- Asia hence the existing continental "collective demonym" article Asian people. Merging an significant informative "collective demonym" article such as Africans which describes the complexity of the many phenotypes and ethnicities on the second largest continent in the world- Africa which contains more phenotypes and ethnicities than any other continent in the world to the continental native ethnicity based and largely unsouced article Ethnic groups in Africa which solely describes the locations of the native ethnic groups inhabiting the African continent as with the continental native linguistic based article Languages of Africa which solely describes the locations of the native languages spoken on the African continent is slightly absurd and especially when comparing articles as Middayexpress has done with the redirected wikilink European people to the continental native ethnicity based article Ethnic groups in Europe that has no comparison. Regards -- (talk) 06:49, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Africa is indeed a diverse continent, much like Asia. However, the Asian people page is an unfitting analogy as it is largely on expatriate groups from Asia. There are also weird passages on "Asian eyes", "Asian noses", "Asian fat distribution" and "Asian teeth", which mainly deal with East Asians. The page appears to be more of an essay than anything. It may therefore also have to be merged into the corresponding Ethnic groups in Asia, per European people redirecting to Ethnic groups in Europe. Also, both Ethnic groups in Africa and Demographics of Africa already cover much of the material. Middayexpress (talk) 18:32, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I've merged the page since the ip above has been blocked and per WP:SILENCE. Middayexpress (talk) 18:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Horn of Africa. Isn't this part of East Africa?[edit]

Isn't Horn of Africa in East Africa? If so where is East Africa like Kenya, etc. I think the Horn of Africa section should renamed to "East Africa" in-line with other sections in this article. A Bartenders Vegs (talk) 17:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

The Horn is geographically in Northeast Africa. However, demographically, linguistially and culturally, it is a distinct area from the African Great Lakes region to its south. To complicate matters further, "East Africa" in the colonial period was often shorthand for British East Africa alone. This area corresponds with present-day Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda in the Great Lakes region. Middayexpress (talk) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Population figures need reliable sources[edit]

All population figures need reliable sources. Hopefully these are in the original articles, but notwithstanding they need to be in this one as well. My experience is that without sources editors happily come along and change them to their preferred figures. They do this even when sourced, but at least we can check them when they are changed. Dougweller (talk) 08:57, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

  • Recently editor Pratyoybiswas has been making changes to the population figures without providing citations to reliable sources. I would request that they provide the basis for such edits before making them again. --Bejnar (talk) 02:57, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I am specifically concerned about the change in the population figure for the Berbers in Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Mauritania, and Tunisia from 150 to 30+ million. I think the 30+ may be a more accurate figure, but I find the lack of a reliable source disturbing. The Berbers article lists the 30+ million figure, but the two citations are doubtful. See Talk:Berbers#Population. --Bejnar (talk) 03:32, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Query of redirect[edit]

Should "African" redirect here? There are a great many things that are african without being ethnic groups: african mountain ranges, african food, african climate, african political organisations... Compare European and Asian, which are disambiguation pages. I almost linked an endangered african lizard here. The idea of the turquoise dwarf gecko belonging to a human ethnic group seems a bit silly, but it is undisputably african. HLHJ (talk) 10:10, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

No way as this is just a single topic under Africa, create a Dab instead. Suggest this page should also be renamed to Native ethnic groups of Africa to match its content. Stanleytux (talk) 11:34, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 6 August 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 08:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Ethnic groups of AfricaNative ethnic groups of Africa – article specifically discusses the many ethnic groups that are native to the African continent, however "ethnic group" as a term has a much broader meaning. Stanleytux (talk) 21:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

All other continental ethnicity articles on wikipedia follow the same format: Category:Ethnic_groups_by_continent. We've compromised on Africa by using 'of' instead of 'in'. Yes, this isn't the 'African wikipedia' as you said, but it's the English wikipedia and I believe that it's meant to serve English speakers worldwide and the term 'native' as opposed to the more accepted 'indigenous' does have a prickly past in Africa, a very strong one at that. If you are referring to the absence of creole ethnic groups, that can be easily resolved by either adding another section in the article, or creating another page for to include Saros and Coloureds and so on, otherwise we'd have to move the other continental pages as well for the same reason. Ukabia - talk 19:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Ukabia, going by the title of this article, it should also have content about the non-indigenous ethnic groups in Africa, the article certainly lacks creole ethnic groups, Saros and Coloureds as you have said, it also does not cover the African ethnic groups who can trace their ancestry back to other continents, for example European Africans, most common in Southern Africa. I believe adding another section in the article, for the non native/non-indigenous ethnic groups or creating a seperate page (if too large) and linking to this article will resolve all this. Thanks. Stanleytux (talk) 20:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose: there is no need to include the term 'native' it is redundant, and as noted above may be construed as offensive. Furthermore, the page currently lists Afrikaners as an ethnic group, the Afrikaners are interesting because they are not 'native' in the usual understanding of the word but are considered 'African', sometimes being described as the only 'white tribe of Africa'. For those concerned the remit of this article is currently too big there is a difference between being an ethnic group in Africa and an ethnic group of Africa. Ebonelm (talk) 21:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Ebonelm. Khestwol (talk) 21:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Arabs live in both Africa and Asia and are native to either continent but not always both. Should they be excluded or included? Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 06:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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