Talk:Murder of the Faddoul brothers

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On 19 March 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Faddoul Brothers to Murder of the Faddoul brothers. The result of the discussion was moved.

Title of this article

The current title of this article is contrary to Wikipedia's naming conventions concerning capitalization, as well as the Manual of Style advice about title capitals. Specifically, to be consistent with other articles about brothers or siblings the word "brothers" should appear in lower case, and not be capitalized. According to the page history, this article started as being titled Faddoul brothers but was moved to the capitalized title by the initial contributor, shortly after being moved from draft space to article space on 6 January 2020. Apart from the first sentence of the lead paragraph, and the infobox, the brothers are referred to as the "Faddoul brothers" throughout, even in one of the headlines of the cited sources. Unfortunately, no explanation was offered two years ago for this article capitalization change, which has persisted for 3 years without question, so I can only assume changing the title is now potentially controversial, and needs to be discussed further.

Unlike other articles about notable siblings, such as the Chapekar brothers, the Manaki brothers, or the Wright brothers this article is not a biography about the siblings and their joint accomplishments, but is an article about the circumstances of their murders, so should follow the naming conventions for articles about the murder of people. So, I think the article should be moved to the title "Murder of the Faddoul brothers" - Cameron Dewe (talk) 01:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 23:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Faddoul Brothers → Murder of the Faddoul brothers – As explained above, this article about the murder of the Faddoul brothers, so should follow the naming conventions for articles about the murder of people. The article should be moved to the title "Murder of the Faddoul brothers". See WP:MURDERS and WP:MURDEROF. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 01:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Material Works ^{ping me!} 11:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 23:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. However, I think Kidnapping of the Faddoul brothers may be a better title, as the kidnapping was what garnered the original publicity. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relisting due to minimal participation. Material Works ^{ping me!} 11:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Take two... {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 23:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I'm not sure we'd have an article at all had they not been murdered. BD2412 T 00:04, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Translated from the Spanish

@Cyfraw: This article appears to have been translated from the Spanish Wikipedia article, Hermanos Faddoul. The Translation help page indicates this needs to be acknowledged by adding the {{Translated page}} template to the talk page, as explained by the guide line Copying within Wikipedia §Translating from other language Wikimedia projects. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 02:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I will take a look at it. Thanks --cyrfaw (talk) 11:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]