Talk:Forest of the Dead

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I'm a bit curious why an editor chose File:Forest Of The Dead.JPG. I don't see how it best represents the episode. Viriditas (talk) 10:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Images like that shouldn't summarize or represent, the episode. They should provide a visual image that is discussed in-text, aka critical commentary. I assume when this page is spiffed up, the commentary et al will mention the digital effects, which this image represents grandly.--108.211.217.112 (talk) 00:01, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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"Plot"

At the end of this section's third paragraph, we have the line "River refuses to tell him who she is before activating the interface, much to the Doctor's anguish," describing the immediate prelude to River's corporeal death. In fact, this quick bit of info omits the brief moment before activation wherein she actually did tell him, as a whisper in his ear, his own name -- which tells him exactly who she will be & is: his wife. Though the shock of it blows him away a bit, upon further questioning, she replies "Spoilers," which goes on from this show to become a tagline in "Doctor Who" whenever River Song (& future incarnations of the Doctor [& perhaps a few others?]) get into discussions of potential reality paths -- for River's timeline goes forward, then backward, then forward, then backward, etc. (she hits codas, & d.s. al codas, & verses, & bridges, & choruses -- just like a "Song" or a "Melody" [her true name] would musically, except this song is one for the ages, made of time, and not merely for the moment. (As such, certain lines become refrains: "Spoilers," because obviously certain things cannot be revealed before their time; "Hello Sweetie," which functions as a bridge; and perhaps others I'm not thinking of now.)) Also invoked here as background, but not said aloud, is the famous metaphor of "The River of Time," and Heraclitus' equally famous observation that one "never steps into the same river twice" [because neither the river nor the person stepping into it is the same from instant to instant]. Rtelkin (talk) 00:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer, I think it is completely fair to include that that she whispers something to the Doctor that shocks him (this I added), as this would explain his anguish at her death. However, within the bounds of this episode and how we write about fiction, while now we know it was his Gallifryan name that she whispered, and why we knew that, it's "out of bounds" material to specifically include here. --MASEM (t) 00:56, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Evangelista

Why isn't miss Evangelista included in the final reunion (I mean besides the fact the actress might not have been available) ? Ivan Scott Warren (talk) 10:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

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Nominator: DoctorWhoFan91 (talk · contribs) 17:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk · contribs) 20:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I will be reviewing this! This is the first GA article that I have reviewed.

I will give a proper in depth review but first I think these issues should be addressed:

In "Release", the dates should be in the style of "7 June 2008", not "7th" etc, and please can you link the TV shows that are mentioned?
- Done
In "Release", remove "easily" from "easily out-ranked the football" as it does not sound neutral.
- Reworded
I think that "Release" should be in "Production", or at the very least it should be "Release and reception" (not capitalised "reception").
- It's the general outline all Doctor Who episode articles follow
Is it possible to expand the "Production" section with more info/sources? That would really help the article.
- I'll try, but the references are from IA, and I think it's still down, so it'll take time
Images: Can the current image in the prose be reduced, as it is quite big, and can there be other free images there (e.g. Steve Pemberton)?
- Will add it
In reception, "Similarly, Patrick Mulkern of Radio Times found Professor River Song interesting, someone the Doctor is yet to meet but someone who knows a lot about him, including his name." – The bold is a bit confusing, can this be quoted or clarified ?
- Reworded

Once these are addressed/replied to I will give it a proper line by line review :) Please do not hesitate to ping me with any questions etc. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 20:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done/Responded to everything, DaniloDaysOfOurLives, also, thank you for taking up the review. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 03:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can do the rest of the review, DaniloDaysOfOurLives, I'll do the suggested changes when I get the time. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 19:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey sorry, I have been so busy that I did not see this. I will do the rest of the review tomorrow :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 19:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, of course, take your time, I was just reminding bcs pings get lost, DaniloDaysOfOurLives. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 18:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

? DaniloDaysOfOurLives. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 09:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I am very sorry, I have been unwell and hence was not able to look at this properly.

Production:

""Forest of the Dead" was initially announced under the title "River's Run",[2] before its name was changed relatively late in production (Radio Times used the previous title in their column, the change being too late);" - Can you reword this, especially, the bit in brackets, and explain what? Also please link Radio Times.
"chosen by amalgamating two alternate titles" - Can this be clarified, as I am a bit confused?
"were named after Steven Moffat's son and his son's friend, a big fan of Doctor Who" - were they both fans of Doctor Who, or just one?
"the characters are completely themself, with nothing left behind" - I think it should be "themselves" (though if there could be clarifications, that would be great.
"who is best known for his work as a member of The League of Gentlemen" - "best known" is not neutral ("well-known" may work) but also, is this necessary? I can see the links due to the League of Gentlemen being supernatural, but if it is not explained then it may just be worth putting "Pemberton had previously appeared worked with Tenant in the musical serial Blackpool.
In general, I think that the subheadings in production can be removed.

Reception:

"found his brain searching for new superlatives" - What does this mean?
"that though the story cuts around through its various subplots, the end result is one of the most creative and moving story of the revived series" - can a quote be used here perhaps, or at least clarified?
"stunning twist" - "stunning" should either be quoted or it should be made obvious that he finds it stunning, otherwise it seems unneutral.
In general, I think several other sentences need to be reworded and to use quotes or to make it clear that these are the opinions of the critics and not come across as facts, as otherwise it makes the article sound unneutral.

Overall, another issue I have found is that a lot in the plot and production (and reception but to a lesser extent) is a bit unclear to readers who do have knowledge of the episode or Doctor Who in general, and this makes it quite difficult to understand certain concepts. So it could be worth explaining some of the concepts a bit clearer.

Additionally, if anymore info can be found to put in the production section, that would really strengthen the article.

By the way, I want to say that this is not intended to be criticism or anything bad. I think you have done a great job and you should be very proud.

Let me know when you have addressed/responded and I will give more feedback. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 14:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Get well soon. Will take some time, will ping you when done. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 07:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]