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Translated from Italian?

By some words in Italian left here and there and the non-standard English throughout, I think this article was translated from Italian, maybe from the Italian Wikipedia.

It needs to be reviewed and rewritten, which is beyond my abilities right now (due to chronic illness). If someone else can take care of this, I'd appreciate it. Sorry I can't do more than point this out!

Thanks!--Geekdiva (talk) 10:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge discussion

It seems clear that this article should be merged with St. Francisco Fernandez de Capillas one way or another. I suggest that St. Francisco should be merged here, since there's a lot more history here than there. I also suggest a serious discussion about the name, since it's not clear which way it should go. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:44, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After almost two years with no discussion, it had not occurred to me that a merge would be in anyway controversial. (If your going to revert you might just as well revert the merge templates on the respective Talk pages, as well as, the request under "technical moves".) As long as all the relevant information is retained, I don't see all that much significance in the history, particularly when almost 3/4 of the entries are either minor or bots. (There are approximately 1.2M more hits for Francisco on google, but that hardly means anything when a search under either name will bring up articles under both.) I doubt anyone born in Palencia in the 1600s answered to the name of Francis. …You might ask Daniel the Monk for his preference as seems to have contributed the most to this page. Over and out. Mannanan51 (talk) 23:26, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've pinged WP:CATHOLIC and WP:SPAIN for their thoughts on the matter. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:12, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Neither the number of edits/history nor the size of the article nor google hits matter. We need a merge to an entry without St. for sure, which is only used in exceptional cases. Get advice on Francis vs. Francisco and then be bold. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that we only need one page. I suggest that we need one page (so, merge St. Francisco Fernandez de Capillas to here) then discuss the title here. The reason for that merge is that it is clear that St should not be in the title, so that won't be the final destination. My preference for name is Francis Fernández de Capillas as that is title used in the most authoritative of the references, coming from the Vatican news service. Most of the other sources are blogs of questionable notability. The title should be that which predominates in English language reliable sources, not the name they would have called themselves or used at the time. As there are authoritative sources in English that use Francis, that is what should be used. Please also note the Ferdinand/Fernandez/Fernández issue. Given the uncertainty, I think that we should follow the Vatican on a page which focuses the (Catholic) saint's life. Klbrain (talk) 08:21, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merger complete.

However, this doesn't completely resolve the matter of the final name. Perhaps someone could propose whichever title emerges from discussion, or propose your favorite and discuss. Klbrain (talk) 13:21, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]