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Misinfo

I removed the statement about Z. being the first Italian citizen to be awarded an honorary British knighthood. A look down the List of honorary British Knights shows at least the following preceded him:

Guglielmo Marconi
Benito Mussolini
Arnaldo Momigliano
Luigi Cadorna
Filippo de Filippi
and three Italian kings. JackofOz 07:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Showing KBE

Average Earthman, I think the issue is not whether people like Zeffirelli are entitled to use KBE, because they are. It's whether Wikipedia Manual of Style says that's the style we use in our biographies. Being an Italian citizen, Z would not generally be called "Franco Zeffirelli KBE", so the shifting carpet of opinion seems to be saying that we don't show honorary postnominals. JackofOz 01:34, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree...removed Arniep 01:42, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I'd misunderstood - I'd taken the deletion comment as meaning that non-UK citizens weren't entitled to call themselves by the KBE, rather than they don't tend to use them so we shouldn't either. Average Earthman 13:48, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gay rights issues

Someone should add the information about Zeffirelli's homosexuality and his paradoxal opposition to gay rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.46.22.195 (talk) 21:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He never opposed gay rights. He opposed what he considered the 'carnivalesque' side of the gay movement, that's different. He just culturally compared his Hellenistic homosexuality to the contemporary gay movement, that he didn't appreciate – Italian: Ebbe modo di dichiarare che non apprezzava il cosiddetto «movimento gay», in quanto per lui il concetto dell'omosessualità era strettamente collegato al filone culturale ellenico-latino; dichiarò infatti che «l'omosessuale non è uno che sculetta e si trucca. È la Grecia, è Roma. È una virilità creativa».^[1]^[2]^[3] Zeffirelli ha anche asserito che la sua omosessualità non funge da ostacolo nei confronti della sua profonda fede cristiana (cattolica), in quanto il peccato della carne non dipende dall'orientamento sessuale. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 12:14, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ (in Italian) Dall'intervista Zeffirelli: "Due o tre cose che so su Silvio e Veronica" Archived 2015-09-24 at the Wayback Machine, il Giornale.it, 7 giugno 2009.
^ Giuseppina Manin. "Zeffirelli: «Da piccolo molestato da un frate»" (in Italian). Archived from the original on 8 December 2015. Retrieved 3 December 2015.
^ Vecchi Gian Guido (7 February 2007). "Zeffirelli: Silvio ti supplico. Meglio le vecchie barzellette" (in Italian). Archived from the original on 8 December 2015. Retrieved 3 December 2015.

Pro-life Zeffirelli ?

He' s listed among the pro-life celebrities, however there' s no information or external link whatsoever about his position on this subject. I believe he should be removed from the list, unless someone can provide a source.

If he's an MP from Forza Italia one would assume that he hews to a decidedly more conservative, traditional position on the subject, no?

72.68.183.97 09:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maestro Zeffirelli has time and time again stated his position and he is truly and firmly pro-life. It is very easy to find quotes if you just try. He states it in his biography^[1], he has voted pro-life when he was an elected official in Italy^[2]. He has talked about his views in newspaper articles^[3]. His own mother's difficult decision to have him out of wedlock cemented his view. I'm almost certain the hardships she endured because of her decision resulted in his own determination to make her proud. She would have been proud I'm sure. Her decision gave us all an extraordinary artist who is also an masterful designer, architect, writer and politician. Having had the honor to actually meet the Maestro and spend time talking to him, I can say firsthand that he is very much pro-life. I can also say that he is a complex personality with a sincerely wonderful heart and spirit. This is a person who deeply values life and considers each day a gift from above.

But let us hear his own words shall we? I could have used any number of sources, but I do like this one. ^[4]

CONTE: You have always stated you are against abortion...

ZEFFIRELLI: Yes, always, and I'll explain to you why. In the afternoon, after school, I used to go with my friends to a recreational area run by Dominican friars in St. Mark's Square in Florence. We often played football in one of the monastery's large cloisters. One day, a fight broke out among us, and one of the boys chased me away using a particularly vivid expression insulting my mother's memory. My first reaction was to stop in my tracks petrified, then I began to cry. At a certain point, a man arrived, took hold of my hand and asked me to follow him. He led me to a painting - the Annunication by Fra Angelico - and explained to me that the Annunciation was more important than Christmas because in that moment God became man. Then he told me that I had been born thanks to my mother's courage. He went on, and I will never forget this, that a woman is never a sinner if she gives birth. That man was Giorgio La Pira, and shortly after he became Mayor of Florence. So you can see why I am anti-abortion, why I believe in life, the life of every living thing, in every situation and at whatever cost. Justright53 (talk) 17:01, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

^ Zeffirelli: An Autobiography
^ Film-maker Zeffirelli to vote "pro-life" in Italian polls 15.02.2008 18:34 - TREND
^ Dan Lybarger, Originally appeared in the March 13-19, 1999 issue of Pitch Weekly "Spreading the Wrong Gospel: An Interview with Franco Zeffirelli" and many others
^ the following expert was taken from "God & I: Franco Zeffirelli Messenger of St. Anthony Fr Mario Conte OFM Conv.

Mel Gibson

F.Z. passed away in 2001, how could he possibly comment on Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.166.69.5 (talk) 18:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, he's still alive. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 06:08, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish

Was his mother Jewish? (79.67.127.213 (talk) 15:10, 23 February 2016 (UTC))[reply]

Dead link

Reference 15 to the interview with Bruce Robinson is a dead link - does anyone know where to find this interview? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeyMikey667 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Up-to-date

This article shows what an impressively up-to-date encyclopedia Wikipedia is. He died on June 15, 2019, and already, on June 15 2019, the date of his death is in the article. Vorbee (talk) 17:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] (in Italian) Dall'intervista Zeffirelli: "Due o tre cose che so su Silvio e Veronica" Archived 2015-09-24 at the Wayback Machine, il Giornale.it, 7 giugno 2009.

[2] Giuseppina Manin. "Zeffirelli: «Da piccolo molestato da un frate»" (in Italian). Archived from the original on 8 December 2015. Retrieved 3 December 2015.

[3] Vecchi Gian Guido (7 February 2007). "Zeffirelli: Silvio ti supplico. Meglio le vecchie barzellette" (in Italian). Archived from the original on 8 December 2015. Retrieved 3 December 2015.

[4] Zeffirelli: An Autobiography

[5] Film-maker Zeffirelli to vote "pro-life" in Italian polls 15.02.2008 18:34 - TREND

[6] Dan Lybarger, Originally appeared in the March 13-19, 1999 issue of Pitch Weekly "Spreading the Wrong Gospel: An Interview with Franco Zeffirelli" and many others

[7] the following expert was taken from "God & I: Franco Zeffirelli Messenger of St. Anthony Fr Mario Conte OFM Conv.

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