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Post-disco and Garage music

Can somebody recognize that Garage music have also an post-disco elements? (best example is in "Feel Alright", 1982 by garage house/synth-funk band Komiko - Sam Records) You know, Post-disco is an Minimal Disco genre, so post-disco can influenced Garage/House music? Nor?

Sorry for my bad english. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk • contribs) 19:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't really like the term "post-disco". It sounds as though disco sprang from the ground completely original, and everything following is derived from it. Isn't disco post-soul, funk, etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.181.42 (talk) 17:38, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Is anyone maintaining this?

I could have just as easily written this article about myself. It literally does not have a single citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.88.228 (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Reliable sources for an encyclopedia?

I do wish contributors would stop using opinion pieces from the likes of Discogs and Allmusic to form the basis of "solid fact" in these articles. It is non-encyclopedic, and frankly does nothing for Wikipedia. Anybody can write an opinion piece. We should not be passing off opinion as fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.181.42 (talk) 16:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

House and Garage, not Garage House!

One of the things that has concerned me in recent weeks is attempts to link the house music page to this page("Garage House"). Back in the 1980s, House became a genre of electronic dance music and achieved great success. During the late 1980s/1990s, I recall hearing about Garage, but it was a separate style - references were made to "House and Garage" (I also remember something called "Shed" in the 1990s!). I am surprised that Wikipedia now carries this article called "Garage House" as such a genre certainly never existed back in the day. House sprang from Chicago, Garage from New York, but they were not regarded as the same style, no matter how much one may have been influenced by the other, or any other similarities. I'm concerned that the accuracy of the house music article is suffering because of the title of the "Garage House" article (which has as its main reference a site which simply lists tracks and uses that title). Garage and House are not one and the same thing. If Garage now exists under the House umbrella (and its early importance has never been disputed) that is one thing, but to rewrite the past is quite another. Great pains have been taken with the House music article, influences and precursors are examined, the early scene, and so on. I would hate to see it rendered inaccurate by the "Garage House" article.

(Solidsandie (talk) 18:14, 6 August 2013 (UTC))

Were person(s) who coined the term "garage music" aware that a genre called "garage rock" already existed?108.176.204.146 (talk) 05:27, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Probably, but it was named after a NY nightclub, so the people who coined the term were a lot of people catching on to saying "garage music" rather than "music that they play at the paradise garage". anyway, I don't really like this article's current title for this reason. I think this article holds the record for number of times moved, its original title was, as I remember "New York garage", then "US garage" - I think this would be better. - filelakesh03 (t / c) 08:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Not entirely sure but the most common names seem to be without any reference to US or USA but simply Garage/Garage music or New York Garage - but that last one is a misnomer since New Jersey is in the mix as well. --Loginnigol (talk) 10:28, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Bowing Out

I give up on editing this page. Whilst I accept that garage predated house, I'm not sure that it was an influence. But I'm not getting involved in edit wars or unpleasantness, so I'll bow out.

(86.137.200.252 (talk) 22:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC))

Allmusic - Writers' Opinions - Wikipedia Facts?

I'm interested to ask if Allmusic is a dependable source for Wikipedia? After all, as an editor wrote for that site some years ago that garage music is closer to disco music than other electronic styles, without citing sources for that statement (or, in other words, simply stating their opinion) is that good enough to be submitted as fact on Wikipedia? Or should it be a matter of: "The Allmusic article on Garage opines that it is closer to disco than..."? I don't really think it should be a case of: "it must be absolute fact - I read it on Allmusic!"

(Solidsandie (talk) 18:39, 4 March 2017 (UTC))

Yes - WP:ALBUM/SOURCES.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 09:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 5 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Garage house. No such user (talk) 13:45, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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Garage music (US garage) → Garage house – Per the following:

• WP:NATURALDIS: Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title.
• WP:PARENDIS: Wikipedia's standard disambiguation technique when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title. Example: The word "mercury" has distinct meanings that do not have sufficiently common alternative names
• According to the author Howard Richler, the style of music played by Larry Levan was first called "garage", and later, "garage house". AllMusic says the genre is "Named for what is arguably the birthplace of house music — the Paradise Garage in New York ". Thus, "garage house" can easily be considered a "sufficiently common alternative name".

Another reason to move: Garage rock, also known as "garage", was distinctly American. So "US garage" is not much of a disambiguation.Ilovetopaint (talk) 09:18, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm not an expert on music microgenres, so I won't offer an opinion on what is correct here, but the current title is genuinely terrible. Practically anything else would be an improvement, so I hope this discussion doesn't get bogged down in an argument about which improvement to make. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 02:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: Narrowing down sources from 2010s via Google:

"Garage"/"Garage music": encyclopedia of pop music, book about disco, "paradise garage music", encyclopedia of queer culture, book about The Clash (UK), book about disc jockeying

"Garage house": another book about DJ-ing

The amount of the above 2010s sources seem to be less than other older sources. I'll provide older sources soon. George Ho (talk) 21:16, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

• More sources:

"US garage": book about rent boys, same encyclopedia (about pop music), Billboard, book about music in London, book about hip-hop/rap,

Uncertain: Vibe (probably discussing UK garage)

If "garage house" is not a suitable title, how about "(R&B subgenre)"? I'm not sure, but at least it's better than "(US garage)". George Ho (talk) 21:29, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't know how you ended up with only one source using the term "garage house". I don't have the time to find them, but I'm positive there are dozens more out there. According to the source, garage is a dance subgenre, not an R&B subgenre.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 15:22, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

"(dance subgenre)" then. George Ho (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2017 (UTC) Struck. George Ho (talk) 21:43, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

That doesn't disambiguate it for people who consider house itself as a form of "electronic dance music"--Ilovetopaint (talk) 15:46, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Even more sources, most of them older:

"House music": Encyclopedia of Contemporary British Culture, book about trance music(?)

"New York House (music)": CMJ ("New York's House music", "New York house"), Billboard, book about DJ-ing (also using "garage music")

"Garage house": "...of 1988–9" (also seen in a multi-vol ref about pop music, "When R&B fused with garage house...", aka "New York House" (search it on Amazon), The Virgin Encyclopedia of Dance Music, another book about pop music, book about 2nd-rate language

George Ho (talk) 20:44, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Seems to prove that "garage house" is the best title.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 15:46, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

"Garage house" may also refer to some garage-like house. Why not garage house music instead? I'll support that one. George Ho (talk) 21:43, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

That doesn't seem like a real thing, and even if it was, it's not notable enough to redirect Garage house to a disambig. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 20:26, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

What about WP:DESCRIPDIS: "where there is no acceptable set name for a topic, such that a title of our own conception is necessary, more latitude is allowed to form descriptive and unique titles." "Garage music house" is descriptive title, isn't it? --George Ho (talk) 22:18, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

"use only as much additional detail as necessary. For example, it would be redundant to title an article "Queen (rock band)", as Queen (band) is precise enough to distinguish the rock band from other uses of the term "Queen"." There is no article about garage houses, so no disambiguation is necessary.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 05:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

• Support whatever alternative, because the current title makes the topic sound like a garage in the United States. feminist 10:01, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
• Support. Some move is necessary as the present title is confusing and doesn't really distinguish it from other things called "garage music" in an easily recognizable way. "Garage house" is clearly in use for this type of music.[1][2] UK garage is related to the US version, which it developed from.[3] As such the simplest thing would appear to be to use "garage house" for this article, and note with sources that UK garage developed out of it. Alternately, we could go with Garage (dance music).--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:48, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

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