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A fact from George Mathews (soldier) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 May 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that U.S. general George Mathews attempted a failed annexation of Spanish Florida just months before the outbreak of the War of 1812?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/George Mathews (soldier).

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Title

This article should really be disambiguated from other George Mathews articles by his job, such as (politician) or (soldier) rather than (Georgia) which is of course a country as well as a US state. I suggest that (soldier) is used, as this seems to have been his first claim to notability. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:23, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks for the suggestion. I think I've been the primary contributor to this article for a number of years now, and both of those suggestions sound good to me. I'll wait (a couple weeks?) to see if anyone else weighs in, then go ahead and make the change to (soldier). Newtack101 (talk) 13:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree wholeheartedly. Carlstak (talk) 14:54, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good move. Hog Farm (talk) 15:40, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Went ahead and moved it Newtack101 (talk) 01:26, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 03:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

1. Prose ✓ Pass

2. Verifiability ✓ Pass

3. Depth of Coverage ✓ Pass

4. Neutral ✓ Pass

5. Stable ✓ Pass

6. Illustrations ✓ Pass

7. Miscellaneous ✓ Pass

Comments

1.

Like Georgia and Virginia in the lead, although Georgia is a dab page, so a piped link will be necessary (Georgia is linked at the second mention, not the first)
- Thanks for the review in prog! done Newtack101 (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink brigadier general
- done Newtack101 (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"He and his entire regiment were captured on October 4, 1777 in the Battle of Germantown." - I think one of the various MOS standards would want a comma after the year
"George Mathews was born on August 30, 1739 in Augusta County, Virginia" - Found the MOS, it's MOS:DATECOMMA. For space reasons, I won't list all of these.
- Gotcha. These should all be taken care of.
"ten siblings, six brothers and four sisters" - Replace the comma with either a colon or a semicolon
- added semicolon Newtack101 (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
" was willed a 300 acre tract of farm land" - Use the convert template here, I believe hectares (abbreviated as ha for the template) is generally the counterpart for acres
- thanks, wasnt aware of that template. Newtack101 (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"attempting to halt its advance into the Ohio Country Rembert Patrick described the battle as" - I think there should be a sentence break between Ohio Country and Rembert

Patrick

- yes, you're right. Newtack101 (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"was granted a limited parole and permitted to live in New York City" - I don't think parole needs to be italicized, it's been fully assimilated into English now.
- fixed Newtack101 (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"into the southern theatre, though he saw no further action in the war" - Use of different dialects of English is acceptable, but it should be consistent. The American Engish theater should be used here, as that's how it's generally spelled when referring to theaters of war in the US
- changed to theater Newtack101 (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"and received 1,900 in Wilkes County" - 1,900 what?
- fixed Newtack101 (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"The Other War of 1812(2007)" - space between the 2 and the (
- fixed Newtack101 (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not familiar with encyclopedia.com, is this a reliable source? I can open a comment at the reliable sources noticeboard if need be.
- I think I just assumed was a reliable source, because it has a legit sounding name, ha. But yeah, looking at it more critically, it may not be. No need to open the comment -- I'll look for a better source, and if I can't find one, I'll cite the highest rank there is a quality source for. I've had some question about this rank anyway, which is probably why I ended up on encyclopedia.com. Newtack101 (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I have now sufficiently addressed the citation issue for his rank of brigadier general. Newtack101 (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Refs 111-115 are bare URLS, full citations are needed.
- done Newtack101 (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is the historical marker database reliable?
- Hmm, not sure. I've updated all but one ref in the Memorials section to sources whose credibility would seem to be beyond debate. I couldn't find a better source for the full inscription of the Battle of Point Pleasant Monument. I'd think this source would be sufficient -- it simply transcribes the text on the monument and provides photos for verification. The description of our subject is simply his name ("Captain George Mathews") in a role that has been documented previously in the article. What do you think? Newtack101 (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ought to be find then. I searched the RS/N archives, and found an old discussion on it with no clear consensus. It looks acceptable if there's not a better source available.
Some sort of parameter error is popping up in the bibliography
- Looks like a bot handled that one for me :) Newtack101 (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

3.

Is it possible to add the years his second and third marriages occurred in? Also, is the reason for the ending of his second marriage ending? I'm assuming probably death, since divorce was uncommon in this time frame, but the reason is probably worth mentioning
- Yes, I do have the dates for the second marriage, but not the third. The second marriage did actually end in divorce. It's a somewhat interesting story that I hadn't taken the time to include. Newtack101 (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Placing on hold. Hog Farm (talk) 01:18, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 08:01, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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1896 illustration of George Mathews

... that Colonel George Mathews of the Continental Army claimed to have "bled from five wounds" during the 1777 Battle of Germantown of the American Revolutionary War, which resulted in the capture or death of his entire regiment? Source: "He was wounded in the Battle of Germantown . . . Mathews never forgot that he "blead [sic] from five wounds in his country's service and sustained a loss in his private interest, of twenty thousand pounds by depreciation of our money" during the war.^[1]
- ALT1:... that General George Mathews attempted a failed annexation of Spanish Florida to the United States in 1812, just months before the outbreak of the War of 1812? Source: "[Mathews'] efforts to revive his political career included an 1812 commission by U.S. President James Madison to encourage an East Florida rebellion against the Spanish government and annexation of that territory to the United States. The revolt took place, and Mathews began to organize an attack on St. Augustine, Florida. But he worked too successfully. Members of the federal government felt it politically inexpedient to acquire Florida at that time, and the president issued a recall to Mathews."^[2] Source: Madison declares war on Britain in June, 1812.^[3]

Improved to Good Article status by Newtack101 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:58, 28 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Recently promoted to GA so it easily passes any sourcing, neutrality, plagiarism, and any other qualifiers. The second hook it the best as the first one is rather dull compared to the second one. Jon698 talk 17:39 30 April 2020

References

^ Patrick, Rembert (May 2010). Florida Fiasco: Rampant Rebels on the Georgia-Florida Border, 1810-1815. University of Georgia Press. p. 5. ISBN 978-0820335490.
^ Ebel, Carol (2003). "George Mathews (1739–1812)". New Georgia Encyclopedia. Georgia Humanities and the University of Georgia Press. Retrieved April 17, 2020.
^ Woodworth, Samuel (July 4, 1812). "The War". The War. New York: S. Woodworth & Co. Retrieved February 8, 2019 – via Internet Archive.)

Propose removing most Patriot War material

It belongs in the Patriot War (Florida) article, which if to a large extent duplicates. Anyone have a problem with that? deisenbe (talk) 16:15, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should stay in this article, as that section is not generally about the Patriot War per se, but rather is primarily about Mathews, his actions in the conflict, and his predicament vis-a-vis Madison. Jeff in CA (talk) 05:53, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Patrick, Rembert (May 2010). Florida Fiasco: Rampant Rebels on the Georgia-Florida Border, 1810-1815. University of Georgia Press. p. 5. ISBN 978-0820335490.

[2] Ebel, Carol (2003). "George Mathews (1739–1812)". New Georgia Encyclopedia. Georgia Humanities and the University of Georgia Press. Retrieved April 17, 2020.

[3] Woodworth, Samuel (July 4, 1812). "The War". The War. New York: S. Woodworth & Co. Retrieved February 8, 2019 – via Internet Archive.)

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