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I don't believe that the Harvard School for Boys was ever a military acedemy. Its own article (under its current name, Harvard-Westlake School says nothing about such a history. Can anyone verify or falsify this claim?

  • this link [1]indicates the 2 were merged in 1989.--Dakota 01:30, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Early Life[edit]

Added background information and name of Gray Davis's paternal grandfather, William Rhodes Davis, a well reported (in 1940's) Nazi agent. Information came from diary entry I personally researched and authored and published here http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/20/191832/300/898/554378 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruidoso (talk • contribs) 14:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prop 187[edit]

Davis's big moment was his refusal to support Prop 187. Interesting that this is not in the article.

Long Term?[edit]

.This states that Davis's term of office started in 1979. He did not serve 24 years as governor of California. Does the 1979 refer to something else, or should it be 1999, when his term as governor began? mal7798 07 October 2006, 03:21

"Liberal" tax and spend policies[edit]

Grey Davis was the most unpopular governor in California history,yet the article dose not go into any detail has to WHY he was so unpopular.My goal was to demostrate that it was his liberal "tax and spend" policies that so many Democrats adhere to that caused the people to rise up and kick him out of office. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flyingbryan (talk • contribs) .

Well, first I don't think you can claim he was the most unpopular, at least without citing a source for that. Second while it may be true that it was his "tax and spend" policies, you can't include this in the article without an accompanying citation. Otherwise its just your point of view. We strive hard to ensure that all Wikipedia articles maintain a neutral point of view. This is, of course, particularly difficult for contentious articles, which the ones on politicians tend to be. So its especially important to source specific viewpoints on people. Can you find a reliable source (i.e. a non-partisan one) that says it was Davies' "Liberal tax and spend policies" that caused the voters to recall Davies? If you can, then you can add the section to the article. Thanks, Gwernol 23:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Tone of article is not nuetral[edit]

This article has a somewhat hateful tone and presents non facts as such. It speaks in terms of unpopular and widespread, uses very critical commentary and in places un neccesary wording. This article has a political agenda and needs a good fact checking and citations.--Amadscientist 22:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Begining revision[edit]

I have begun overhauling this article to improve its headings, information, and content. I began overhauling Davis's early life and political career and I will continue to put more information in those sections. None of the more accepted as positive aspects of Davis tenure as Governor are mentioned such as his efforts in Education or the systemic causes of the energy crisis and budget crisis that can't be tagged on Gray Davis. I plan on revising the energy crisis section to simplify the jargon some. I will also work on adding citations and sources. I also plan on adding more about Davis trouble with his staff that was one of the problems with his administrations. These revisions are going to take some time so I ask that if you are editing this article, not to remove some of the new sections I have created. You can add and edit info, but please don't remove short sections until I am finished. == calbear22 13:23 July 22, 2007. (SPT)

Removal of unverifiable material[edit]

The following line was removed: "Davis was suspended twice from the California Bar Association for failure to pay membership fees." Such a claim must be sourced and it currently is not. I searched lexius nexus and the internet through google and could not verify this fact so I removed it. If someone can find a source, they should add it back to the article. == calbear22 14:08 July 23, 2007. (SPT)

"A year later he said, "Well, we'll wait a couple of years before we remove it." However, this never happened." Following line concerning MTBE also isn't sourced and was removed == calbear22 July 28, 2007.

Sourced: http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=43883 (It's actually the State Bar of California, not the California Bar Association). OCNative (talk) 04:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of information concerning Issa[edit]

The information concerning Issa was too detailed for an article about Gray Davis. It was moved to the article about the recall. User:calbear22

Removal of part of Recall section[edit]

Following line had bias and was removed: "In July 2003, his unpopularity became so great that a campaign to gather a sufficient number of citizen signatures for a recall election of Davis was successful."

There are many reasons Davis's opponents could collect enough signatures that go beyond his unpopularity. They include the low signature requirement for a recall, low turnout in the last governor's race further lowing the needed signatures, and Issa's money. These reasons are explained in much greater detail on the 2003 California Recall.

Following line was removed because it is unneccessary: "Although other California governors, including Edmund G. "Pat" Brown Sr., Ronald Reagan, Jerry Brown, and Pete Wilson, had faced recall attempts, none was successful at forcing a recall election." The names of these governors adds little to the article. It is excessive detail. I summarized this sentence in the article without listing the names. This information should be included in the Recall Election article, but we need to find a source for that to happen too User:calbear22 August 10, 2007.

calbear22 finishes major revisions[edit]

I have finished my work on this article. Because I provided sources, dramatically improved the content, and made the article more viewpoint nuetral, I removed the problem tags. During my last major revisions, I removed a little information from the Davis reelection section that just wasn't true, verifiable, or was overly simplified. I've added over one hundred sources to this article to support the articles content although some of the sources were added as external links that should be converted to references. Some of the information in this article was copied from the source http://www.biographybase.com/biography/Davis_Gray.htm. When I fact checked some of the numbers from that source, it revealed that some of the numbers and arguements were false. No information in this article is now supported only by this source. This article can probably use some work from another editor, but I'm done for now. calbear22 14:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand the abundant use of citation 29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Davis#cite_note-Child-28) throughout this document. 76.169.80.173 (talk) 06:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply] 

==Removed links==

These links were removed because I believe they violate Wikipedia policy on copyright.User:calbear22 (talk) 07:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A bit gushing?[edit]

Just reading over this piece, it seems overly pro-Davis- I haven't read much else about the man, but in this article it seems as though his achievements are fully listed, from the big to the small, with the odd approving quote thrown in, whereas his failings (and there must have been a fair old few, right- he was recalled, after all), tend to be explained away by blaming outside factors or Enron. Honestly no axe to grind here, and the man may well have been a saint and the victim of horrible circumstances, but I definitely get the feeling that this might not be the full story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.165.54 (talk) 20:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Bay Area was the only region in California to vote no on the recall[edit]

This (unsourced) image shows that the Bay Area was not the only region to vote no

the assertion "The Bay Area was the only region in California to vote no on the recall" seems unlikely to me, even though it is supported by a citation (from sfgate, only days after the election). is this accurate? California gubernatorial recall election, 2003 isn't much help. Badmachine (talk) 23:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Schools[edit]

There are three different kinds of schools. First, there is the Residents school.

Residents The Residents school is a school for regular kids. There they learn their math, science, language arts, do their yoga and P.E. They are in no danger because they are a majority of the kids in school.

Gifted Magnet The Gifted school is a school for kids who learn differently than others. They learn their lessons in a different way. Several people think that they have to have a certain IQ, but they are not smarter than the Resident school kids. These children just learn differently. Will finish later now need to finish homework. Peace out! Good-bye! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mia the Awesomy Awesome (talk • contribs) 00:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Enron, energy crisis, and the Republican connection[edit]

When talking about the 2003 recall, its important to talk about the political context. The California energy crisis had just happened, largely started by Enron and other out of state energy companies, and Davis could not do much to save Californians from artificial power blackouts and paying $600 power bills. The key here is that Enron and other scammers were Republicans, and Californian Republicans managed to twist the story and put the fault for the energy crisis on Davis. =184.235.88.124 (talk) 01:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's and interesting take on it, but would need sourcing, and risks runing afoul, regardless of intent, of pushing POV. But be bold! Edit it up, and then bring your suggested edits for discussion!204.65.34.206 (talk) 19:27, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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This needs review[edit]

This article has been edited to remove various negative sentences, replaced with essentially all positive comments, shown in the edit history. The question "a bit too gushing?" is relevant here as Davis was a controversial figure in California history (controversial enough to be recalled), yet the Wikipedia page as it stands today skews very positive. I'd be interested to hear others' comments - I can look for factual/sourced material to add in order to make this article less of a gushing celebration of Gov. Davis' accomplishments to a more factual representation of his tenure which is more fitting with Wikipedia's goals. However, I think interested parties should discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Countryjudge (talk • contribs) 21:37, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline[edit]

The lead section says, "In California, under Davis, standardized test scores increased for five straight years." How is this possible if he was governor for only 4 years, from 1999 to 2003? Maybe it's just rounding up, but it seems confusing to me. Or is it counting from the 1998 election? Hyuhanon (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Signing SB 400 into law[edit]

That part needs to be reorganized. It reads like having been taken from elsewhere and it is not properly cited. I am not familiar enough with Wiki's citing tools to fix it. Pomodecon (talk) 22:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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