Talk:Gusen concentration camp

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A fact from Gusen concentration camp appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 February 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the life expectancy at Gusen concentration camp was as short as six months?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gusen concentration camp.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Gusen concentration camp/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K.e.coffman (talk · contribs) 01:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing this article; will start shortly. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Points of clarification

...there were also large numbers of Spanish Republicans,... -- please consider linking "Spanish Republicans". BTW, Spanish Republican (singular) redirect to Second Spanish Republic. I was not sure this would be the link you might want, so I did not link it myself.
- Done
This is a bit awkward: Most Austrians… [in 1918] & the Austrian people achieved their goal… [in 1938] -- this implies to me that the very same Austrians advocated for the same goal twenty years apart. In addition, "the Austrian people" implies nationality rather than ethnicity; many of Austrian citizens probably did not want a union with Nazi Germany, especially not the Jewish population.
- Fixed
The first prisoners and guards moved in on 25 May 1940, officially opening the camp. -- suggest "The camp was officially opened on 25 May 1940, when the first prisoners and guards moved in". Otherwise, it reads like the inmates opened the camp.
- Done, thanks
Because of the harsh conditions and mass murder, one group of prisoners would die to be replaced by another. -- this is awkward, as "would" implies a future time and / or that there was causality between replacements and harsh conditions. I think what this sentence is trying to say is: SS did not care about high mortality due to abysmal conditions; they could simply replace the dead.
- The source does not really say that, it emphasizes the waves/groups of prisoners. I changed it to One group of prisoners would die, but the number was maintained due to transports of incoming prisoners.
...were transported to the main camp to be gassed... -- does the "main camp" refer to Mauthausen or Gusen I?
- Mauthausen, clarified
known as "death group" due to the high mortality rate -- known to whom?
- Source does not say, so I took this out.
This "murderous brainstorming" was... -- I assume it's a direct quote from the source. If so, it's better to attribute, i.e. This "murderous brainstorming", in the words of the historian X, was....
- done
where fire brigade members were very willing to surrender... -- if the (local) firemen were serving as guards then this should be mentioned. Otherwise, it's unclear what firemen were doing at the camp.
- First mentioned in the SS command section but I added clarification here.

--K.e.coffman (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- Many thanks for your comments and your excellent copyedit! b uidhe 03:47, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment against GA criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

--K.e.coffman (talk) 02:16, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Self-published book

@AHDG: The Haunschmied et al. is a self-published book, which means it should be used with caution if at all. Unfortunately, it got a rather negative review.^[1] Regardless of how we feel about Haunschmied's efforts to commemmorate the camp, Wikipedia should only use sources that meet WP:RS. Also, any added information should respect the article's existing format. b uidhe 23:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Neander, Joachim (26 October 2008). "St. Georgen Gusen Mauthausen: Concentration Camp Mauthausen Reconsidered (review)". The Journal of Military History. 72 (4): 1319–1320. doi:10.1353/jmh.0.0139. ISSN 1543-7795.

There is a typo

Volkssturm is incorrectly spelled "Volksstrum"

Concentration Camp for Poles

The camp during its long existence was mainly for the Polish people. Because of that the official name of the camp was “Vernichtungslager fur die Polnische Intelligenz”. 27 000-35 000 Poles died there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.90.5 (talk) 04:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Neander, Joachim (26 October 2008). "St. Georgen Gusen Mauthausen: Concentration Camp Mauthausen Reconsidered (review)". The Journal of Military History. 72 (4): 1319–1320. doi:10.1353/jmh.0.0139. ISSN 1543-7795.

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