Talk:Guus Hiddink

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Untitled[edit]

I removed the GUUS 4PM "hack" at the top of the page because it clearly does not belong there and probably doesn't belong in an encyclopedia (the way it was written) at all. I also removed the accompanying link to a Cafepress store that sells GUUS 4PM t-shirts. This only enhanced my suspision that this was merely a commercial addition.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.75.26.155 (talkcontribs)

IPA[edit]

Can someone in the know add his name in the International Phonetic Alphabet?--Greasysteve13 14:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

bias[edit]

I've removed some bias.

How, removing yourself from Wikipedia? (If you don't understand this post, see [1]).--Panairjdde 12:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

edit his record[edit]

I removed this: * 1988/89 - UEFA Champion's League: Champion with PSV. because it's clearly not true, champions league didn't even exist back then, and his Europacup 1 victory is in 1988 and already mentioned -- Vorrion 01:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Move to Chelsea[edit]

I think this section is speculation and not significant enough. The second paragraph is presumption about Mourinho leaving Chelsea and more speculation on who will replace him. All irrelevant to Hiddink's career and presumably based on tabloid reporting ("It was reported...", "most pundits agree..."). Would anyone mind if I removed the section? Razororz 04:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Have removed the section. You can't stop me. None of you can stop me. I am unstoppable. Unstoppable. Razororz 15:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Revert[edit]

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Please revert the sock's last version. Kingjeff 04:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

 Done - Alison 17:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Years with PSV Eindhoven[edit]

1st paragraph says 2002-2006 but right margin table says 2002-2005.192.88.165.35 (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Hiddink left PSV in June 30, 2006. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk I remember the 2006 KNVB Cup final (Ajax-PSV 2-1) as the last Hiddink's match in charge with PSV.--BubbleBabis (talk) 15:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to add the statistics of Hiddink's second period with PSV. I will explain how I got to the sum of the numbers over here.
  • Eredivisie
    • 02/03, 26, 6, 2
    • 03/04, 23, 5, 6
    • 04/05, 27, 6, 1
    • 05/06, 26, 6, 2
  • Dutch Cup
    • 02/03, 2, 0, 1
    • 03/04, 1, 0, 1
    • 04/05, 3, 1, 0
    • 05/06, 3, 0, 1
  • Dutch Super Cup
    • 02/03, 0, 0, 1
    • 03/04, 1, 0, 0
    • 05/06, 0, 0, 1
  • Champions League
    • 02/03, 1, 3, 2
    • 03/04, 3, 1, 2
    • 04/05, 7, 3, 4
    • 05/06, 3, 1, 4
  • UEFA Cup
    • 03/04, 2, 3, 1
  • Total
    • 128, 35, 29

DutchFawkes (talk) 10:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Cosmonaut[edit]

The recent addition under trivia of "Guus Hiddink under V.V.Putin's decree it is enlisted in group of cosmonauts for flight in space" seems to be unlikely to me. But I hesitate to remove it. Anyone else have more information to confirm/reject this addition? 62.203.142.125 (talk) 11:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

This is plainly nonsense, and even if it wasn't, it was totally uncited. The Biographies of Living Persons policy requires the immediate removal of such nonsense - it's the responsibility of the person inserting the claim to provide the citations to back it up. -- Arwel (talk) 06:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Russian passport[edit]

I heard that he wants to become Russian citizen and get a Russian passport. Is that true?--SergeiXXX (talk) 18:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

  • No. However, president Medvedev openly admitted the possibility of granting Hiddink an (honorary) citizenship. MSN sport. NVO (talk) 21:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

POV tag[edit]

Where to even begin?

  • "and some impressive displays with PSV Eindhoven in the UEFA Champions League and Eredivisie"
  • "He was able to prevent further internal conflict in the 1998 FIFA World Cup where his team played some of the more entertaining football in that tournament."
  • "Nevertheless, the team he assembled was a cohesive unit that consequently proved to be the fittest team at the World Cup."

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. This article is extremely biased and poorly written. WikiKingOfMishawaka (talk) 12:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

The truth doesn't count as POV. Are you jealous of him, or something?--SergeiXXX (talk) 20:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for essentially showing you know nothing about Wikipedia policy. I'll go ahead and start gutting the article as I see fit. WikiKingOfMishawaka (talk) 10:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
If you think there's POV, prove it. Quote the parts that you think are POV right here. Otherwise please stop vandalizing the article, or I will be forced to report you to a mod.--SergeiXXX (talk) 22:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I've inserted citation needed tags where they are needed. If citations aren't forthcoming, I'll simply delete them under WP:V, and there's nothing you can do about it. And I must say I understand your homerism towards the subject. Russia, for its size and resources, is completely irrelevant in soccer, and Hiddink has given them the only glimpse of relevance they've ever known. Sadly, revering him as a God (as the article does) isn't encylopediac. Always glad when I can teach some Wiki-policy to someone who obviously knows none. WikiKingOfMishawaka (talk) 22:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia policy is flawed, as is your attitude. Too bad Russia's lost to Spain...:'( Mallerd (talk) 20:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that there is a little detail in this article that proves a lack of consistency and bias in favour of Mr. Hiddink. In the section about his time as Korea coach the enormous controversy generated by the victories over Italy and Spain is not mentioned at all while the controversy about the Chelsea v. Barcelona semifinal is pointed out later clearly. Therefore, I would suggest for the credibility of this article either including a mention about the alleged match fixing while being South Korean coach or removing the mention about the penalty calls. ([User: Manuel Iglesias]) 15:02, 19 November 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.7.228.97 (talk)

Guus Hiddink Confirmed As New Chelsea Manager[edit]

As per Chelsea's official site: http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~1551166,00.html 209.87.194.21 (talk) 23:56, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Not what the ref says...--ClubOranjeT 00:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Someones gonna need to apologize or admit their stupidity when Huddink gets the job. It's on the chelsea website fer christs sake. 66.229.80.39 (talk) 16:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

As of 22:30 GMT on 10 February 2009 there is nothing on the Chelsea website that confirms Guus Hiddink Confirmed As New Chelsea Manager, only that Chelsea have permission to talk to him about taking temporary charge until the end of the season. --ClubOranjeT 23:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


As of 15:17 GMT, Guus Hiddink has been confirmed as Chelsea's new manager. Choke on your words. http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~1553382,00.html 66.229.80.39 (talk) 15:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Not entirely correct: the Chelsea site says that he WILL become temporary coach. The BBC suggests that this will not take effect until after the FA Cup match on Saturday. Kevin McE (talk) 19:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Until there is a clarification from the club or Cees van Nieuwenhuizen (Hiddink's agent), I think we should leave things as they are.
Aaron carass (talk) 19:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I stand by my words. Article you reference clearly states Posted on: Wed 11 Feb 2009--ClubOranjeT 00:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

You people are bonkers, its says so on the Teams website. It doesn't get anymore official than that. Chelsea has confirmed the Guud Hiddink will be taking over. I want the original few sentences I write included in the article, I deserve that much. 209.87.194.21 (talk) 20:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

You said it: he "will be taking over". As soon as it is evident that that sentence can be put in the present tense, you can post it. Until then, only the verifiable truth "deserves" anything. Kevin McE (talk) 22:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I got this on the official Barclay's Premier League website, referring to Guus Hiddink as the Chelsea F.C. manager Hiddink ready for the task . Also concerning the article in the Chelsea web page it stated Guus Hiddink will become temporary coach until the end of the season as he still had not officially taken over at that present time, but he had agreed to do so.Please add that he is the Chelsea manager. Gunner0095 (talk) 11:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Caretaker or permanent manager?[edit]

I was just wondering if he should be referred to as caretaker or permanent manager in his position at Chelsea F.C.I believe that according to the wikipedia Caretaker manager definition, it would be most suitable to be referred to as caretaker. Gunner0095 (talk) 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

The principle that we settled on at Talk:List of English Football League managers was that anyone who has a deal for a fixed term, whether that be a few months or a few years, is not a caretaker. A caretaker might be replaced at any time: Wilkins is caretaker manager at Chelsea until Saturday, thereafter Huddink is manager. "Permanent" is invariably a misnomer. Kevin McE (talk) 16:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Although Guus Hiddink has signed a contract with Chelsea F.C. for a fixed term, he is taking over for the rest of the season after a not-planned change in the staff (in this case Luiz Felipe Scolari was fired before the end of his contract, due to bad performance) and thus it is more than a caretaker manager's assignment,also matching the caretaker manager's definition.I believe an exception should be made because of the circumstance.He had also been described as temporary manager, thus he has to be appointed as caretaker rather than a permanent manager —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunner0095 (talkcontribs) 17:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
All jobs are temporary: Ferguson will not be at Man Utd until the end of time. If he has a contract for a fixed period, he is not simply keeping the chair warm until such time as a replacement is found: he has (or will have from Sunday) that as his chair until the end of his contract, short as that might be. The new manager at Southampton came in after an unplanned change in staff, but is not regarded as a caretaker. I am at a loss as to how something that "is more than a caretaker manager's assignment," is said to be "also matching the caretaker manager's definition". A caretaker takes on the role knowing that they might be usurped at virtually no notice when an appointment is made: Huddink knows exactly how long he can expect to be in the role, and has a contract to prove it. Kevin McE (talk) 10:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying but there is a bit of a clash, as the Wikipedia definition doesn't fully agree with what you have said and explained to me above. Gunner0095 (talk) 12:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
There is no meaningful definition at that article to abide by, and certainly not one which os binding upon all articles. He was not appointed from within the club: he has been appointed for a specific period of time rather than simply pending an appointment. No reliable source will describe him as a caretaker manager. Be careful not to assume that one Wiki article is authoritative over all others: it does not have that coherent an editorial oversight. Kevin McE (talk) 15:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I looked on the definition to make things more clear, as he was described in both the UEFA.com and Barclays Premier League websites as temporary manager, that has a similar meaning to caretaker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunner0095 (talkcontribs) 17:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I'd regard him as a interim manager. Because he would takeover Russia until summer 2010, and he just manage Chelsea for three months only! However, he is not a caretaker manager. Raymond Giggs 08:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Became retarded?[edit]

In 1981, he rejoined De Graafschap and became retarded a year later. He generally played as a midfielder during his playing days.


Surely `retired a year later´ is a better way of putting it= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.169.217.160 (talk) 11:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

"One of the best managers of his generation"[edit]

having failed to qualify for two consecutive tournaments with Russia and Turkey respectively, can he really be considered one of the best managers of his generation? Maximiliaan Ronaldszoon (talk) 12:50, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

He did guide Russia to a very successful Euro 2008 run though, and his failure to qualify for euro 2012 with turkey stemmed from disharmony between him and the players. I believe that that is excusable as it does happen. Everywhere else he's gone he's done well, above expectations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rogermao (talkcontribs) 06:08, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

He also guided Netherlands and Korea to World Cup Semifinal appearances, as well as bringing Australia into the knock out stage of the World Cup. It's not a matter of opinion, no one else had that level of success on the international stage before him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.106.170 (talk) 15:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

In the next sentence it says he was the highest paid coach in the world at one point. Surely that would not be offered to someone that isn't even one of the top managers of his own generation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.213.136.149 (talk) 19:13, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2015[edit]

Chelsea needs to be added to managerial career. TheIronDinosaur (talk) 02:33, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Where on the page are you requesting that this be added? There is already a subsection for Chelsea under the "Managerial career" section. /wia🎄/tlk 03:50, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Edit Introduction - Achievements ==

He did not win the European Treble with PSV Eindhoven, he simply won a treble. The European Treble consists of winning, over the course of the club's history, the European Cup/Champions League, the UEFA Europa League, and the European/UEFA Cup Winners' Cup. The only teams to have accomplished the European Treble are Juventus, Ajax, Bayern Munich, and Chelsea.[1]

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