Talk:Hadouken

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For all there's a source for "Hadoken-inspired Dragon Ball is one of the attacks in all installments [sic] of the Worms series", it has to be observed that, all else being equal, the name "Dragon Ball" rather strongly implies it's derived from the famous Kamehameha; just because a journalist on a somewhat dubious-looking website writes that it's "Hadoken-inspired" doesn't make that factually accurate, to whatever extent this is a mere quibble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.73.25 (talk) 23:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Metsu Hadoken

This move was not introduced in Street Fighter IV. Satsui no Hadou ni Mezameta/Evil Ryu had such a move in Capcom vs. SNK, and it was a three-bar move similar to Denjin Hadoken, but with a forced charge. I'm going to edit that line a bit.

TalonIH (talk) 23:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fan Fiction

This isn't a fan fiction page. If people want this page to stay up, there needs to be less blather about Gouken and focusing ki, and more practical explanation about what the move is, and what it does when you play a Street fighter game. I've made a start by removing some of the in-universe blather about sure-killing techniques and added some explanation of the fireball's various effects

Daigo (talk) 12:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hands

Notice the hands are projected outward in the projectile. This is more obvious in the original SFII.

Capcom explanation

Ryu Hadoken - About the same temp as the human body. Feels like getting hit by a nice solid kick. Once hit by this, the damage stays for a very long time. Shakunetsu Hadoken - The same temp as hot water. Not enough to burn cloths. Ken's Hadoken - Neither hot nor cold. Feels like a nice solid punch. The damage doesn't stay like Ryu's. Sakura's Hadoken - Is very warm, not as hot as Ken's. The effect varies on which type. Small - Feels like a hard slap. Medium - same as Ken's. Large - Same as Ryu's. Gouki's GouHadoken - About the same temperature as the human body. Same kind as Ryu's but much greater in power and effect. Dan's Gadoken - Very warm. Feels like a slap. Yoga Fire - Same temperature as boiling hot water. The damage feels kinda like the same feeling you get when you eat something very, very spicy.(Curry) Tiger shot - The damage feels like getting mauled by a ferocious tiger. The temperature is freezing cold. Kikoken - About the temperature of a warm bath. The hit doesn't feel like a solid hit but more of an effect that affects the whole body. Soul Spark - Isn't cold or hot. The hit itself isn't hard at all but it makes the area it hit very numb. Psycho Shot - Very, very hot. And the hit will burn the area it hits instantly and makes it very numb.

Translation

Every time I come to this page, somebody seems to have switched the translation of 'Hadou' from 'surge' to 'wave motion' or vice versa. I'm of the 'surge' persuasion, but I want to know how many people actually think 'wave motion' is the way it's meant to be read. FlameAdder 04:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a little more complicated than just that, but given that we have to pick one, I'd go with "wave motion" if only because it has more backing in official materials. However, I don't think either translation is really satisfactory and don't feel strongly about whether or not we use either one. ^_^ JuJube 04:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Either is really fair. "Hadou" can be found in Japanese-English dictionaries translated as "wave motion" or "surge," assuming that the "surge" is to mean an undulation of waves. "Wave motion" sounds less natural than "surge" in English, but on the other hand, "surge" might imply an electrical surge or massive wave, which isn't implied in "wave motion" or even in "hadou" as directly. Both renditions have problems, and "wave motion fist" is certainly not a mistranslation.

I think another thing should be taken into account -- that "ken" is translated as "fist" when it is "sword" in most other cases. e.g. kendo - the way of the sword, zantetsuken - iron-cutting sword and seiken - holy or spirit sword. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.242.146 (talk) 22:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merging content from Hadoken to Hadouken

Hadoken duplicates much of the content of this page. Although there is some new content, bringing that content here and creating a redirect to this page will suffice. This article can then include the comment that the attack is spelled both ways as well as trivia like its mentions in 8-bit Theater.

Thoughts? Kit O'Connell (Todfox: user / talk / contribs) 00:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It appears an anonymous editor has merged the articles already before I got around to it. Thanks. Kit O'Connell (Todfox: user / talk / contribs) 06:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The 8-Bit Theater ref is relevant, if it's worth mentioning Megaman X. The comic explicitly duplicates the name and appearance of the attack and is based on a well-known game (Final Fantasy).--Kris Schnee 01:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Laffo

How to perform a Hadouken = lolburn --Awesome 11:27, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism?

This is at the bottom of the page:
a) The Hadouken is performed strictly through the Hadou Application, one of the three key elementals of Ansatsuken. The practitioner utilizes all of his ki and/or will onto his fists and open-handedly punches with two hands at the same time, with the wrist joints of both hands touching. The surge contained within the fists is then expelled through the user's palm and a surge of shock then shoots through a straight line. Anyone touching the surge of shock will be crushed. The damage is dependent on how well the surge is exerted onto the palms.
b)
c) PROFIT!

But I can't find where it comes from. Anyone know what's going on? BillWeiss 22:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The three-steps-to-profit format is a standard geek joke; not sure of the origin. It's vandalism.--Kris Schnee 01:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

South Park's Undepants Gnomes. -82.39.71.86 21:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Failed vandalism at that. It should have been 1)While positioning hands outward and vertically connected at the wrist, shout out the word "HADOUKEN" 2)??? 3)PROFIT! Wardrich (talk) 10:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hadou-Burst?

Shouldn't Sean's Hadou-Burst from Street Figher III be mentioned here somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.243.102 (talk • contribs)

No. It's not a Hadouken, it's a self-taught technique. Danny Lilithborne 02:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sakura's Hadouken is also self-taught, yet it is still mentioned, as is Dan's Gadouken. Plus, it shares the "Hadou" name. I think it should be included. Nickoten 01:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other users

Just saw my last update including Sabin get reversed:

(cur) (last) 09:47, 25 February 2007 JuJube (Talk | contribs) m (so what, are you gonna list every single video game where a Hadouken motion makes a projectile come out?)
(cur) (last) 08:00, 25 February 2007 Jkoudys (Talk | contribs) (added Sabin from FF6 as an "Other user")

This reversal is ridiculous. It makes no sense to just remove the one Sabin entry. He really should have started a talk section instead.

The question is: should this section exist at all? There really are a lot of games where people shoot hadoukens. Either those other users that people add stay, or the whole section should be removed. 199.246.40.54 17:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I already stated my reasons. Down to forward plus an attack button makes a projectile come out in a LOT of games. That doesn't make them references. JuJube 00:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, it is. That's the entire point of my above comment. There's no logic in you selectively removing additions to that section. Either any legitimate entry should remain, or the section should be removed. I like this section, so the FF6 note should be included. Jkoudys 03:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Don't talk about logic and then throw a WP:ILIKEIT rationale at me. I don't even think this article should exist (I nominated it for AfD). Or would you like to list every single move in a game ever that has a quarter-circle forward motion? Be my guest, but be sure you list them all and not just Sabin. JuJube 04:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Yes, you nominated the article for deletion; that was resolved last year and it was decided to keep the article. My problem with what you've done is that it represents a bad compromise between those who wanted to keep the article, and those who want to delete it -- where additions which are clearly relevant to this section are immediately deleted, while the section itself remains. I don't understand this assertion of yours that one would need to "list every single move" when adding to this section. 1st - it's never stated that this is an exhaustive list of all users. 2nd - if you think it should be, then removing single, legitimate entries while keeping the section in moves this section further away from being a complete list. The best path to take is to just allow single entries to be made, until it's decided to completely remove this section, at which point everything I've added to it will be gone. Jkoudys 21:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - How's this for a compromise? If another author believes Sabin's Aurabolt is a reference, you can put it back. JuJube 23:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

why was takanori gomi removed from other users? 71.132.143.81 15:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

there is such thing as hadouken! the band

have none of you heard of it look into it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.96.59.10 (talk) 21:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

There's no doubt they exist; there is doubt they are notable. JuJube 21:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please give reference to Wikipedia guidelines on what can be considered 'notable', particularly for music artists? I am confused by the concept of a band not being considered notable, despite having signed for several tours and having been described by someone online music critics as a "band to watch" for 2007? [1]

Searching for Hadouken! with the ! at the end brings up the bands page.

That is insufficient. JuJube 00:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Added--Tempest115 19:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Worms bit

I added the bit about the Worms yelling out the move name to the article. I know for a fact it does this on the Xbox Live arcade version of the game, I remember them always doing this in games since Worms 2 on PC though. 72.223.126.196 (talk) 03:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC) ^^Whoops, forgot to sign in^^ S0d0 (talk) 03:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Similarities with Kamehameha

Some people tend to think that Dragon Ball's "Kamehameha" came after the Hadoken, but it was in fact the other way around. Should this attack be mentioned in the article? After all, the article does mention the "Dragon Ball Attack" in Worms, and describes it as "basically a Hadoken". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.200.64.19 (talk) 09:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, it mentions it because the worms put on red headbands and shout "Hadouken". Anyway, Kamehameha is removed because likening it to the Hadouken without sources is original research. JuJube (talk) 09:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same title

This is false because there isn't another article with the title "Hadoken" nor there's a description of the technique in the articles about the characters that are listed. If you're gonna delete all the info about the technique you might as well delete the whole thing. A brief description of the technique and an incomplete list of characters who use it does NOT warrant an entry, so either restore the page to its original and informative content, or delete it entirely 201.240.107.16 (talk) 03:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Essentially an article about the variations of the Hadoken are just a list of gameplay differences between the characters themselves, which is redundant since the character articles themselves are supposed to take care of that (and FYI I'm working on it). And since Ryu is the original character to use this technique (and the Shoryuken), he's the best suitable merge candidate. I think the Hadoken is just about as notable as Spider-Man's web-shooters. Its not really worth having an entire article about it.Jonny2x4 (talk) 06:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Major Cleanup

Okay, so this article needs some major cleanup. There are NO sources whatsoever, and most of it is pure, unadulterated WP:CRUFT. I removed the "Variations" section, as it was pretty much just gameguide stuff. I removed several of the popular culture references, since there was no evidence that many of them were actually references to Street Fighter. The act of shooting a fireball out of one's hands is not something that Street Fighter pioneered, so unless there is more substantial evidence that it is a direct reference to Street Fighter, it should remain out. I also removed several words and sentences here and there to improve the tone of the article and generally de-bloat it. There were a lot of irrelevant parts and side-tracks that I removed. If you have an issue with any of my edits, please say so here. Don't just revert them right away, because this article is in dire need of some help. Rwiggum (^Talk/_Contrib) 07:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. The "References in popular culture" section does not contain a single source. Unless sources are added, it should be removed. FerrousCathode (talk) 13:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Focus?

We def need more emphasis that it's not every character in every game that can use a hadoken. It's unclear and misleading at the moment. In fact, in Street Fighter II, the percentage is 47% for projectiles generally, and only 17% for hadokens specifically (data: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=34752&page=2).

I suggest we must do one of the following: 1) Rename the article "Projectile attacks". In fact, this would be a better and more useful article to have anyway 2) Rewrite large parts of the article to clarify the problem. If the consensus is that Allen and Dan don't count as hadouken users, then this should be said. 3) Bring back a section with a list of hadouken users. This would illustrate it fully. Maybe have a Category? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.148.244 (talk) 19:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming the article "Projectile attacks" would cause it to be constituted of mostly original research, which is a big no-no for Wikipedia. As such, Dan, Allen, Chun-Li and others have no reason to be mentioned here. And I don't see the necessity for a list of Hadouken users when this article sums it up well enough. I don't see a list as being required for anyone other than people who only browse articles and don't read their content. JuJube (talk) 00:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, having an article constituted of original research, there would be absolutely no difference with an article on "projectile attacks" and one on "the hadouken". What you say (or can't say) about one applies equally to the other. Also, "sums it up well enough"? Could you point me to the line where it mentions that Ken can do one, but that none of the other characters (for example, Blanka) can? Right now, the article seems to suggest that all characters in all fighting games can do it. This is a serious error that needs correcting quickly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.18.131 (talk) 21:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I don't think this article should exist. There was a more descriptive list of users. Apparently, it was unilaterally removed. Fact is, I think this article should be merged back to Street Fighter II as I feel it violates WP:NOT. JuJube (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this wholeheartedly and would support a selective merge. I nominated it for deletion, but enough people disagreed (without providing sources, etc.) that the closing admin considered it "consensus". Rwiggum (^Talk/_Contrib) 21:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

angry video game nerd

should we mention that it's also one of his moves, he uses it in his fights with the nostalgia critic.

Typo?

"In the limited edition PC fighting game Lucky Star Chronicle from PS2 Lucky Star, Konata can use the Hadofken." Is that a typo (in bold)?

TF2 Pyro

This article states the while the Pyro is performing the Hadouken style move, he mumbles "Kamehameha". Surely this reference should be removed, since Kamehameha isn't the same move. If it was intended to be a hadouken, then he would have mumbled it. Just because the Kamehameha and hadouken are similar moves doesn't mean that they should simply be grouped together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.178.132.82 (talk) 20:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

{{movereq|Hadouken (Street Fighter)}}

Hadouken → Hadouken (Street Fighter) — Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Better history management, afterward the pages should be restored to their current appearances Hadouken as a disambiguation page and Hadouken (Street Fighter) pointing to Street Fighter#Hadouken — Dispenser 04:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support splitting the page history off to move to Hadouken (Street Fighter) , since it's the information deals with Street Fighter. 76.66.195.196 (talk) 21:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The request is to move the history (history merge) of this page to Hadouken (Street Fighter), and to keep it as a redirect. So no article splitting. — Dispenser 16:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have finished separating the history of the article and dab page. I'm not sure where this talk should be though? I didn't intend to move it, but perhaps it should be with the article history? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]