Talk:Holiday Inn Portland-Columbia Riverfront

On 5 June 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Red Lion Hotel on the River Jantzen Beach to Holiday Inn Portland-Columbia Riverfront. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Requested move 5 June 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Uncontroversial. Notability concerns can be discussed elsewhere. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Red Lion Hotel on the River Jantzen Beach → Holiday Inn Portland-Columbia Riverfront – The hotel was purchased by IHG Hotels & Resorts and reopened as 'Holiday Inn Portland-Columbia Riverfront' in 2022, per source. --Another Believer _(Talk) 19:09, 5 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 19:26, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why we have an article on this at all. It seems to be a fairly run-of-the-mill hotel. BD2412 T 00:11, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with BD2412; is there a notability claim here? There seem to be many similar articles in Template:Hotels in Portland, Oregon as well. Since Another Believer created at least several of these, perhaps he can clear this up. Dekimasuよ! 03:37, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HighKing: Is there any special consideration under WP:NCORP for hotels, in the absence of some claim of architectural distinction? Every town has its local businesses of this sort (and its representatives of hotel chains). BD2412 T 03:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BD2412 Hotels are interesting as they fall between a number of topics. For example, a restaurant may be notable because of reviews of the food. I've seen similar arguments that a hotel may be notable because of independent reviews. I've also seen discussions where a "chain" of hotels isn't notable based on a review of one of the hotels in the chain. In general if there are decent reviews of a single hotel (not a chain) it tends to pass NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 11:32, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind having a notability discussion, but can this be done in a separate thread on the article's talk page outside the move discussion? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose, but a lack of notability generally makes it difficult to determine a WP:COMMONNAME, since independent coverage is what is used to determine frequency of use. Evidence of official rebranding is not normally sufficient to cause a title to be changed, since the common name is not necessarily the official one. Dekimasuよ! 14:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I used to live on Hayden Island. A generic Red Lion Hotel really isn't notable though I do understand this isn't the place to discuss that. I guess I support the move per nom, since the name has been changed. cookie monster 755 00:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move, but I find this to be a catch-22. There are hundreds of Holiday Inn hotels, many of which were purchased from other chains at some point. I don't know that any specific Red Lion Hotel is notable at all, but a given Holiday Inn would seem to be less so. BD2412 T 01:18, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BD2412 I use to live on Hayden Island. cookie monster 755 05:08, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why a chain hotel on Hayden Island would be any more notable than a chain hotel anywhere else. BD2412 T 05:19, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Name[edit]

Saw this page on Wikiproject Oregon, which I follow. Just wanted to clarify the naming as it appears in the lead sentence. The article currently states "Red Lion Hotel on the River Jantzen Beach is a hotel in Portland, Oregon. The former Red Lion hotel is located..." Does this mean the hotel has the current name "Red Lion Hotel on the River Jantzen Beach" and was formerly a Red Lion property but has since been sold (and kept its name)? The way it is currently worded is confusing to me. --Kbabej (talk) 15:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps if I read the article in full, I would have answered my own question. The first section states, "The hotel was sold to IHG in early 2022 and soon became the Holiday Inn Portland-Columbia Riverfront." Feel free to trout me! --Kbabej (talk) 15:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kbabej I've tinkered with the intro wording as a quick fix. Better? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that makes it very clear! Thanks! --Kbabej (talk) 16:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect information.[edit]

This hotel did not open as a Doubletree. It was built by the original Thunderbird/Red Lion Corporation during it's heyday in 1978. Same builders as the Thunderbird on the west side of I-5 and owners of the Inn at the Quay across the Columbia River. In the late 1990's all 58 Red Lion properties were acquired by Doubletree. The biggest, nicest, most profitable properties were rebranded as Doubletree's and kept. The lesser properties were sold off. (Doubletree was later aquired by Hilton). Meanwhile the Red Lion name was bought by an unrelated hospitality corporation based in Spokane, Washington and they aquired some of the hotels Doubletree didn't want - reviving the brand. This Janzen Beach hotel cycled from being built as a real Red Lion, to a Doubletree, then to the new Red Lion company, and now to Holiday Inn. In the 1990's some corporate offices for the original Red Lion corporation were at this hotel but Red Lion as it originally was hasn't existed since about 1995. This was very much a crown jewel for Red Lion and an amazing property in it's time. -Red Lion employee through the Doubletree aquisition 1993-1996. 2600:8800:4780:1BE:EC1D:7907:9A6F:DBCC (talk) 05:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

The hotel originally was built in 1978 as a Red Lion. DoubleTree purchased the red lion chain in the 90’s and Many of RL’s premier properties became DoubleTree locations after rebranding. In the early 2000’s DoubleTree sold off many of the old red lion properties (including the Jantzen beach property). At this time, the hotel reverted to its previous Red Lion branding which it remained until IHG rebranding into the Holiday Inn Columbia riverfront in 2022. 74.9.47.34 (talk) 17:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]