Talk:Hugo Grotius

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Lead[edit]

The lead here is far too long (and frankly rather boring). Wikipedia is not a legal textbook. See WP:LEAD. If it is not significantly shortened in a week or so I will return and do it myself. There is absolutely no need to mention the American Association of Whatevers in the lead for example. Johnbod (talk) 15:19, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Agree it is too long. Disagree with lengthening it further by adding details which are biographic but not suitable for a lede such as: "A teenage intellectual prodigy, for his involvement in the intra-Calvinist disputes of the Dutch Republic he was imprisoned and then escaped hidden appropriately in a chest of books. He wrote most of his major works in exile in France." This with a buttressing citation would be useful in the "early life" section just below the lede. But it is not lede material. Would suggest in a constructive way that Johnbod who has so helpfully cited WP:LEAD might like to glance again at what it says.ElijahBosley (talk ☞) 16:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I suggest you read it again - just the first bit would do. To suggest that it is trivial that the leading Dutch intellectual of the Golden Age had to spend the last half of his life in exile is just mind-boggling, and shows no awareness of what encyclopedic coverage looks like. Just cut/move a few hundred words (or more) of the legal stuff. The lead MUST summarize the whole article - it is not the place for an essay on the subject's significance. Johnbod (talk) 16:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Mare liberum[edit]

In itself, mare liberum just means [the] free sea, no more, no less. The translation given is - probably - a legal embellishment. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Bad sentence[edit]

On grammatical grounds, I dislike the following sentence intensely:

A teenage intellectual prodigy, for his involvement in the intra-Calvinist disputes of the Dutch Republic, he was imprisoned and then escaped hidden appropriately in a chest of books.

Is it trying to say the following?:

He was imprisoned for his involvement [as a teenage intellectual prodigy] in the intra-Calvinist disputes of the Dutch Republic, and then escaped hidden appropriately in a chest of books.

The first version is perhaps smoother, but also glib and evasive. Can someone come up with a happy medium? (one also being truthful, which I can't say for certain about my proposed rewrite) Just the word "appropriately" in the original is quasi-grammatical (it doesn't modify the local head "hidden", but harkens all the way back to "intellectual prodigy"). The cute sentiment expressed is hardly worth so many semantic pimples. — MaxEnt 05:55, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

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The article could use a longer lead per WP:LEAD and more inline citations . Hemmingsen 18:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Last edited at 18:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 18:25, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Place of death[edit]

Rostock was never a part of swedish-pomerania - it always was the largest city in the duchy of Mecklenburg. During the 30years war it was part of the realm of Wallenstein, besieged by swedish fleets and never given up by the danish kings, who were forced to retire from their feudal claims since 1224 by the germans. To occupy or annex Rostock as a part of the swedish realm would have been a severe break from the peace of Lübeck in 1630.--77.187.249.84 (talk) 06:55, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm quite ignorant in this matter, but I find at Rostock#15th to 18th century this: "Danes and Swedes occupied the city twice, first during the Thirty Years' War ..." but I can see that that probably didn't mean that Rostock became part of Swedish Pomerania. Should the item in the infobox be changed to Mecklenburg, or Mecklenburg-Güstrow, or something else? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:24, 30 April 2017 (UTC)