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Royalties to Queen

Whether Vanilla Ice ever payed royalities to Queen seems like an easily verifiable fact, but the only citation about that is to a student newspaper from 2006, for which the hyperlink no longer works. This should be double-checked.

Sampling

"Vanilla Ice drew controversy by claiming that he owed no royalties for sampling "Under Pressure", citing one minor alteration to the bass line." I'm curious about this. Does the song actually sample Under Pressure in the classical sense of the word sample, i.e. it uses a digital recording of the bassline of that track, or is the bassline instead a post-hoc recreation, performed so as to mimic the original? Hmm? -Ashley Pomeroy 17:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The latter. Believe it or not, there actually is one added "ting" in the riff that was not in the original song. (this is original research though, on my part) --I'm Kinda Awesome... 17:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not a one hit wonder

His other song 'Play That Funky Music' was a billboard hot 100 hit too, so I removed this from the one-hit wonder song list. Oreo 16-4-07

He's a 1 hit wonder. A one-hit wonder is an artist generally known for only one hit single - and that's my boy Vanilla Ice. I'm going to be as cool as he is someday. Peace. burgdorf ^(Talk) 04:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If "Play That Funky Music" really peaked at #4 in the United States, then Vanilla Ice should not be considered a one-hit wonder at all (even if "Ice Ice Baby" greatly overshadowed this other song in the subsequent years). Bisbis (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"A one-hit wonder is a person or act known mainly for only a single success. The term is most often used to describe music performers with only one hit single."

He's known mainly for creating Ice Ice Baby even though Play That Funky Music hit the charts. But if super cool Wikipedia wants to be literal, okay. --108.211.193.185 (talk) 20:06, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Other covers (well, one in particular)

I've heard a stirring cover by a female vocalist in the style of Nina Gordon's simple, beautiful, frank cover of "Straight Outta Compton" - does anyone know who the singer is, or know what I'm talking about? Thatbox (talk) 01:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2nd rap single?

>>"Ice Ice Baby" was the second rap single ever to hit number one on the Billboard Hot 100, ...<< Wasn't it actually the third after Falco's rap "Rock Me Amadeus" in 1986? Compare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Me_Amadeus and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falco_3

The article currently claims that "'Ice Ice Baby' was the first hip hop single to top the Billboard Hot 100". Song Rapture by Blondie cannot be considered a "hip hop single", it's a pop song that contains some rapping. But I agree about "Rock Me Amadeus" by Falco. There are multiple versions of that song, and some contain more rapping that others. But I cannot see why the "American edit" of "Rock me Amadeus" (which is the version that topped the Billboard Hot 100 in 1986) could not be considered as "hip hop song" if "Ice Ice Baby" can. So I'd like to remove the claim of being first hip hop single topping the hot 100 from this article and add that to "Rock Me Amadeus" article. But I won't do that, because I can't find any good source claiming "Rock Me Amadeus" that honor. Olazabal79 (talk) 11:12, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy

I'm very confused. I've tried several times to make sense of this passage, ...convicted felon and famous CEO of Death Row Records Suge Knight claimed his friend had written the lyrics to the song, and allegedly dangled him by the ankles over the balcony to get royalties from the song. Vanilla Ice has verified and denied this claim many times, first telling of it, then telling a toned-down version which involved him talking to Suge Knight calmly. He later said he has no regrets of the incident, because he claims it helped fund Snoop Dogg and Tupac Shakur. On 14th November 2007 he again claimed...that he was not dangled by the ankles over the balcony. It seems that the antecedents for he vary: Who was or was not dangled by the ankles? who is whose friend? who did or did not do the dangling? who has no regrets? who claimed again in 2007...? Pardon my ignorance, but can this passage be cleared up? Cheers, Lindsay^Hi 13:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just read this and had exactly the same reaction. --Chris (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suge Knight's "friend" is a rapper named Chocolate. Vanilla Ice never gave a firm answer as to what happened, though it is clear that Suge Knight forced him to pay Chocolate what he was due. Search around the internet for Chocolate Life-N-A-Day, he somewhat confirms that he wrote this song in the lyrics. As well as connecting himself with the Death Row Roster at the time. Driveus (talk) 04:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This passage seems to have been cleaned up.. however it states Vanilla Ice won the court battle and did not release any money to Suge Knight... which is false. He also has claimed more then once that he had no regrets because the money Suge Knight/Death Row Records got from his song (as a result of this court settlement) funded some of rap's greatests, Tupac and Snoop Dogg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.30.13 (talk) 02:44, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it correct to put the John & Edward single here?

I think it is highly inadvisable to put the section for Jedward single under Ice Ice Baby. This single is not Ice Ice Baby at all, but rather Under Pressure with a mashup, a sampling if you will from Ice Ice Baby, that's all. The single should have been classified under Under Pressure and even better in a brand new page as it is distinct from both Under Pressure AND Ice Ice Baby. I am creating an independent page Under Pressure (Ice Ice Baby) werldwayd (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think both articles should have this noted. Say on this article that the Jedward song samples "Ice Ice Baby". -- Kei_Jo (Talk to me baby! :þ) 15:41, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Section deleted

Why was the 'Cover versions' section deleted? --Stevehim (talk) 14:51, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Song sample

NFCC #8 - "Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." Song samples are treated as the same as album covers and are present in many (most?) WP:GA. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:18, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How does a sample, provided with no sort of context, increase a reader's understanding of the song? If a specific sample is used in conjunction with reliable sources highlighting the importance of that part of the song (which is usually present in good/featured articles when they use audio samples), that's a different story. An audio sample with no caption or demonstration of its importance essentially makes it decoration. –Chase (talk / contribs) 14:22, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How does an album cover increase understanding of a song? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:24, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it does in many cases (and would personally not have a problem with the banning of single covers altogether), but the FUR for album/single covers notes identification reasons; i.e. to help readers see if they're arrived at the correct article or not. "It makes a significant contribution to the user's understanding of the article, which could not practically be conveyed by words alone." (A description of the song's musical qualities can typically be described in words, rendering contextless samples redundant.) "The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing the work, to show the primary visual image associated with the work, and to help the user quickly identify the work and know they have found what they are looking for." –Chase (talk / contribs) 14:31, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that music can be described with words alone, especially for readers unfamiliar with musical terms. Hearing a portion of a song gives a person an understanding of what the song actually sounds like. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:37, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not responding for a few days; I forgot about this discussion. Anyway, I agree that it might help a reader to understand what the song sounds like, but as it stands I don't think the sample's exclusion would be detrimental to anyone's understanding. I would like to see an explanation of what noteworthy aspect of the song the sample demonstrates, with sources explaining what is noteworthy about that certain part of the song. –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:00, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Other uses" section

I added information on the Muller parody, the paragraph is quite short. Can I ask that people extend it and maybe add a couple images? THetardis123 (talk) 18:28, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Observations

The song's chorus starts half a second late. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edomrak52 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Authorship

Authorship needs to be cleaned up and referenced. Floyd Brown performed as DJ Earthquake [1], this site says it was originally credited to Vanilla Ice and DJ Eartquake. [2]. No idea who K. Kennedy is/was. 18:58, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Topic of song

The song Depicts the day in the life of a dealer out on the streets. Giving real life examples of all the highly stressful daily trials and tribulations one might routinely face. 2601:601:C880:F6F0:F0EE:A245:B851:503E (talk) 01:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Chant

What is concerning to me is how in this article there is no mention or reference to where the "Ice Ice Baby, Too Cold Too Cold" mantra originated from the first fraternity founded for black incollegiate men in 1906, Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc., as party chant amongst its members! Which has fortunately been documented in Spike Lee's School Daze Movie, that was released in 1988!! If this had not been the case,, I am certain that this history would have been denied by fans of the songs,, just as this article leaves this very crucial part of this history out of this article! 47.199.227.180 (talk) 23:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]