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Language around NDP-Green Party accord

"...[I]t was announced that the the NDP and Green Party of British Columbia had reached an agreement guaranteeing that the NDP will succeed the province's ruling Liberal Party for a four year period." The word "guaranteeing" is incorrect. Clark could still test the confidence of the Legislature and/or the Lieutenant Governor could dissolve the legislature and call another election. And, in any event, there is no guarantee any government will be in office for four years. fishhead64 (talk) 15:59, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Move from "John Horgan (politician)" to "John Horgan"

I've done a comparison of the different articles in the John Horgan disambiguation page, and my hypothesis was correct, being that the BC Premier seems to be the primary topic when people are in search of information for "John Horgan" as evidenced here. As such, I think it's appropriate to have the disambiguation page moved to "John Horgan (disambiguation)" and this article on the British Columbian politician moved to "John Horgan". Jon Kolbert (talk) 06:01, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support yes now he is a Premier instead of some NDP guy most British Columbians could not identify. Legacypac (talk) 06:41, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

This is a Premier of British Columbia and we need to provide much more content about his political life, views, statements, etc

Normally, Premiers of a Province have much more relevant information listed about them. I will cite Premier Doug Ford of Ontario, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Ford

This article contains much more details about his early life, early involvement in politics, political positions, statements made, and controversies. Please also see Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York's Wiki article for reference, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo

I have added in a "controversies" section to discuss one of the most contentious and politically charged issues in the Province of British Columbia's history, the British Columbia Back to School Plan, one which has been discussed and featured daily all over the news in BC. We also need to add in something to discuss Mr. Horgan's political stances on issues such as the Trans Mountain pipeline, etc. Recently, Mr. Horgan reached out to Ryan Reynolds and asked for his help to convince the province's young to stop partying due to the spread of COVID-19. Topics such as this should be covered in this article as well.

Can someone please help me create a much more detailed Wiki article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VirtualVisionary (talk • contribs) 05:04, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi... you are edit-warring and violating WP:RECENCY and WP:NPOV. Please revert your changes and seek consensus for them here or you'll be reported. —Joeyconnick (talk) 23:38, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

I have tried to seek consensus however no one is posting in this talk section. They are simply reverting changes when I am trying to expand on an article about a political figure, presiding over a Province in Canada, during the COVID-19 pandemic. Rather than reverting changes, people should be contributing additional information and context. No one has provided any valid reason as to why these changes were undone and if anything, they should be expanding on this article, not taking away. Again, I am open to discussing on here and seeing how we can work together to expand on this important article. In fact, I would welcome as much help in this regard as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VirtualVisionary (talk • contribs) 00:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

NOTE: Can someone please add in a COVID-19 section to this article and expand on Premier's Horgan's efforts during this pandemic? I will try to do this when I have time but I am asking for help in this regard. There was a recent press conference where Premier Horgan requested help form celebrities Ryan Reynolds and Seth Rogan in order to target young people and ask them to take COVID-19 seriously. This was a lighthearted moment during a serious time in world history and we should even mention things such as that.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by VirtualVisionary (talk • contribs) 00:29, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks for your attention and efforts, VirtualVisionary. As Joeyconnick, points out above with the link to WP:RECENCY, we are not in a hurry and appreciate your patience. A couple paragrahs on his premiership is certainly reasonable, however it should be kept relevant to what he himself does, since this is his biography. If it is peripherally related and there is a more specific article for the content, best to go there. Like the BC Back to School Plan sounds more relevant to the COVID-19 pandemic in British Columbia or Rob Fleming article before it gets here. There is a sensitivity to Wikipedia:Coatrack articles where an article about one thing is being used to prop up content about something else. Also, starting a new section title "Controversies" screams not neutral. maclean (talk) 05:38, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Election Call

NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS ARTICLE ANY FURTHER. We need to discuss any further changes here and reach a consensus BEFORE any further changes are made! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.64.6 (talk) 17:51, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

There was already a section in the article: On September 21, 2020, Horgan called a snap election that is to be held on October 24. Critics have questioned Horgan’s strategy and stated it could backfire, alienating voters who could view the election as a politically self-serving move during a pandemic. [8]

Joeyconnick REVERTED and asked to add in reason as to why election was called.

Added in: Horgan has stated that his reason to call the election is because, “This pandemic will be with us for a year or more, and that’s why I believe we need to have an election now”.

Changed as per suggestion by Joeyconnick however he keeps REVERTING changes even though his request has been satisfied. Please explain your reasoning why you are REVERTING or if you would like different wording? That was taken from the same article that was cited regarding the election call itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.64.6 (talk) 07:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Please stop shouting and observe WP:CIVIL. I am reverting things if a) people are putting them in the lead but not the article body (the lead must summarize the body, not have extra additional info that isn't in the article itself) or b) presents a non-neutral view of the election call, where only Horgan's opponents views are cited.

In particular, since someone has decided to slap the NPOV label on this article (without going into what, specifically, is not NPOV), I suggest we stick to something simple, like Horgan called the election early and gave the rationale of wanting stability given the NDP and Green majority had been reduced to 1 vote, while the Greens and Liberals pointed to the NDP's high poll numbers and political expediency as the rationale. —Joeyconnick (talk) 22:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

I believe that if we only state "Horgan called the election early and gave the rationale of wanting stability given the NDP and Green majority had been reduced to 1 vote, while the Greens and Liberals pointed to the NDP's high poll numbers and political expediency as the rationale." then that is far from neutral and is extremely biased. That statement alone does not address that the election call that was covered all over the news as being extremely controversial as this was done in the middle of a pandemic and while the NDP had an agreement with the Liberal and Green party to keep the party stable. For example: https://globalnews.ca/news/7348708/bc-election-covid-19-pandemic/ But Horgan’s strategy could backfire, alienating voters who could view the election a politically self-serving move during a pandemic, according to Telford. “It’s risky,” he said. “Most British Columbians don’t think that there is a need for an election right now. We have seen in the past when governments have called early snap elections that have looked to be purely opportunistic, voters have reacted negatively and punished the government. So there is a risk that it won’t play out.”

Also, while John Horgan's poll numbers were high at the time that the election was called, we need to state more recent polls are showing this support dropping and we can cite the most recent polls. We also need to keep in mind that his reasoning for calling the election has been questioned by the media, the other political parties, and voters as we have seen all over the news, even recently. We also need to mention how controversial the election call has been, especially since the government was in fact stable and there is news coverage where both parties stated as such. The latter contradicts John Horgan's claims and this has been mentioned all over the media and by voters. For example, please see: https://www.cheknews.ca/b-c-green-party-leader-says-they-were-blindsided-by-snap-election-call-706695/ Prior to the announcement, the NDP and the Greens had a confidence and supply agreement, effectively allowing Horgan and his party to form government following the 2017 provincial election. A fixed election date had been set for October of next year. Furstenau had met with NDP Leader John Horgan three days before he made the decision to call an election and has claimed she told him that her party was willing to continue work with the NDP. “We believed that the confidence and supply agreement and the legislation that ensures that we were supposed to have an election on a fixed election date in October 2021,” said Furstenau. “We believed that the NDP government would abide by their agreement and by the law, they didn’t.”

So according to the other two party leaders, the government was stable and all three parties were working together. So again, we need to state all of the facts to ensure that this article remains neutral and without a bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VirtualVisionary (talk • contribs) 02:02, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

We can take what you suggested and add in additional critical information in order to ensure that all of the facts are provided and that this article remains neutral and unbiased. So we can combine your suggestion to arrive at something along the lines of: On September 21, 2020, Horgan called a snap election that is to be held on October 24. Critics have questioned Horgan’s strategy and stated it could backfire, alienating voters who could view the election as a politically self-serving move during a pandemic. Horgan claimed that his reason to call an early election is because he is seeking a majority government to ensure government stability however the Liberal and Green party leaders claimed that the government was stable and all three parties including the NDP had a working agreement and that the early election call was unnecessary. At the time the election was called, Horgan’s polling numbers were high though more recent polls have showed a slight decline in support and there remain a high percentage of undecided voters.

Can you please let me know what you think of the above? Again, we need to ensure that we keep this document neutral and state all of the facts. If you believe the above facts are incorrect, can you please direct me to the news sources where you find any additional facts that I may have missed? I believe that all of the news articles and media coverage on TV has reiterated all of the above that I facts as I have stated and I have suggested that we use.

Again, we cannot simply say, "Horgan called an election because his poll numbers are high" because that does not mention how controversial the election call has been, the fact that the other two parties claim that there was an agreement in place to keep the government stable so the election call in the middle of a pandemic was unnecessary, and also does not discuss how Horgan's more recent polling numbers have dropped nor does it mention the high percentage of undecided voters.

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