Talk:Johnny Owen

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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 14, 2020. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that boxer Johnny Owen* was so dedicated to his career that he never drank alcohol nor dated?*
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Mr. Owens is featured in the movie "Faces of Death II" It looks like a tasteful portrayal despite the reputation of the Faces of Death series. I recommend adding a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.194.62.20 (talk) 09:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Owen; or Owens?

I think this needs to be cleared upBashereyre (talk) 18:37, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing to clear up, he was born John Owens but like many boxers fought under a different name Johnny Owen. As he came to note as Johnny Owen, the article should refer to him throuhout as Owen; which it does. FruitMonkey (talk) 20:07, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Johnny Owen

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Johnny Owen's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "br":

From Neil McLaughlin: "Neil McLaughlin". BoxRec. Retrieved 8 December 2019.
From Eddie Thomas (boxer): "Eddie Thomas". Boxrec. Retrieved 22 March 2020.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:29, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 01:40, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that boxer Johnny Owen was so dedicated to his career that he never drank alcohol or dated? Source: The Independent The Guardian (Newspapers.com)

Reviewed: Needle telegraph

Improved to Good Article status by Kosack (talk). Self-nominated at 12:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: - TBD
Overall: b uidhe 10:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: Sorry about the wait, didn't realise this had been reviewed. I've added in my QPQ. Kosack (talk) 09:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good to go! b uidhe 09:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Owen's height

I am in process of talking to BoxRec about modifying their incorrect recording. Owens was a tall bantamweight and stood at 5'8". Even our references section contains the accurate reading....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wales/entries/945c85e9-9269-30ee-8aee-54fbba022f8e

I think the inaccurate height stems from BoxRec.

How shall we proceed? I have also sent an email to his brother who runs johnnyowen.com.

Anyway if you haven't looked in to this guy's life, very fascinating..... Ran 9 miles a day in steel tipped boots through the hills of Wales. Shy and awkward with a heart of gold. Vowed off dating women until his career ended. Spent almost every day of his life from age 8 to 24 boxing. Quickly won 4 regional belts as a young pro. Legendary stamina and toughness. Then came the big day, the world title match in L.A.

If interested, there are documentaries on YouTube as well as the Owen vs. Pintor fight. Mstchstickman (talk) 19:28, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mstchstickman, per the sources Kosack provided in the discussion on my talk page, multiple sources list him as both heights. BoxRec probably take their height from what Owen was billed at in his fight against Pintor (5'6) so there's a good chance they'll stick with that. However, as I said in the aforementioned discussion, there's a compromise in which we can list his height as 5'6 (as that was the height he was billed at in his final fight) and add an additional note that lists some of the reliable sources that Kosack found which list him as 5'8. An example of what I mean can be found in the infobox of Dan Henderson. – ².O.^Boxing 20:00, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok sounds good. If anyone is interested, watch a couple of seconds of Pintor vs. Owen. He is clearly much taller than Pintor. Mstchstickman (talk) 20:07, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mstchstickman, I've added the note, citing The Guardian, LA Times, and The Observer as listing his height as 5'8. – ².O.^Boxing 22:43, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I presume that was you who added it before mine lol sorry, I didn't get an WP:edit conflict notification and it scrubbed out your previous edits. – ².O.^Boxing 22:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, all good. Something of interest.... Johnny's brother says boxrec.com is wrong....

from admin@johnnyowen.com

Hi John,

Thanks for the interest. I don’t now John’s ‘official’ height but he was approximately 3 inches taller than me and I was (still am) 5’6”.

Boxrec has got it wrong, definitely. I should know; I grew up with him.

Regards

Kelvin Merthyr matchstick (talk) 12:37, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LOL.... boxrec.com has just changed Owen's height to 5'8"

Merthyr matchstick (talk) 14:48, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That was easier than expected. Kosack (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think your newspaper references and Kelvin's testimony (John's brother) did the trick! Merthyr matchstick (talk) 15:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So, what did he look like ? ? ?

Statues are fine and dandy, but they're rarely accurate.

How 'bout a photo ? 2600:8800:C89:EA00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 01:30, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts exactly. How is this a feature article when there isn't even a photo of the guy? 73.6.49.240 (talk) 04:17, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nowhere in the Featured article criteria says that an article has to include a specific kind of photo to be featured. The article meets all of the linked criteria as is. Also, all images on Wikipedia have to either be free or meet the criteria for inclusion of non-free content, we can't add copyrighted images to an article just because. RetiredDuke (talk) 13:02, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Humidity in LA

Does the source really say that Owen had to acclimate to the "humidity" in Los Angeles? LA isn't humid -- there's a desert just over the mountains. It is, however, often hot (including in September), leading me to suspect that is what was meant. Brutannica (talk) 20:43, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]