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Foreign Born

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Jose Calugas is listed as a foreign born Medal of Honor recepient, however, I am not sure that this is the case. At the time of his birth the Philippines was a US Territory.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Foreign born" recipient is usually meant as someone who was born outside of the United States. The Philippines was still regarded as a foreign country despite it being a territory of the US during his birth. Calugas was considered a US National but not a Citizen. ----Ðysepsion † Speak your mind 05:00, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-GA review

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There are large sections of this article that are uncited, which would automatically fail this nomination, I don't want to do that, so I'll wait until the citations are added before reviewing the article. Skinny87 (talk) 20:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Jose Calugas/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Skinny87 (talk) 20:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  • It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    You'll need to expand the lede into one full paragaph, per WP:LEDE
    Done. --Kumioko (talk) 21:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    First sentence of the Biography section is a fragment; please merge with following paragraph.
    Done. --Kumioko (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Don't need to repeat his first name again, especially not one sentence after mentioning it for the first time.
    Done. --Kumioko (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'and was trained as an Artilleryman at Fort Sill, Oklahoma' - Don't really need the 'was' in that sentence.
    Done. I rephrased this section. --Kumioko (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    But you do need it in the next part of the sentence, as in '...was assigned...'
    Done. I rephrased this section. --Kumioko (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'As a Sergeant in Battery B of the 88th Field Artillery (PS), his unit was mobilized due to the news that the United States, and thus the Philippine Commonwealth, was at war with Japan.' - When was it mobilized?
    Done. I could not find any reference yet that tells this but I will keep looking and add it once I am able to find it. --Kumioko (talk) 21:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'During the month of December his unit was sent to Bataan before the withdrawal of all capable USAFFE units withdraw to the peninsula.' - Repetition of words and poor grammar, and what is USAFFE? Needs to be expanded upon without just wikilinking.
    Done --Kumioko (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'On January 6, 1942 his unit was assigned to cover the withdrawal of the rest of USAFFE along with the 26th Cavalry Regiment (PS) and the 31st Infantry Regiment and did so successfully' - comma after 'Regiment'
    Done --Kumioko (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'On January 16, 1942, while leading KP,' - Don't need to mention the year again, and please clarify what KP is without just wikilinking.
    Done --Kumioko (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'In response his actions, that are detailed in his Medal of Honor citation, occurred which allowed other soldiers to dig in and defend the line.' - Poor grammar, and you'll also need to actually write a sentence on what he did - just referring the reader to the citation, especially when it's short enough anyway, is poor practice.
    Done --Kumioko (talk) 20:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'However, he would not be presented the Medal of Honor, but would become a prisoner of war when Major General King ordered the forces on Bataan to surrender.' - You'll need an 'instead' there after 'would' and before 'become'; who is Major-General King?
    Done - I completely rewrote and expanded this section. --Kumioko (talk) 20:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'After being released, he was assigned to a Japanese Rice Mill and secretly joined a guerrilla unit, *227 Old Bronco.' - Don't need to capitalize 'Rice Mill' and the first three words are repetition after the last part of the previous sentence.
    Done --Kumioko (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'With the liberation of the Philippines underway, beginning with the Battle of Leyte, return to normal combat would not begin until January 1945 when on the 9th of that month U.S. Forces landed at Lingayen Gulf.' - This sentence is overlong and needs to be split into two - it's also slightly confusing chronologically. Suggest also adding 'his' or 'a' before 'return to combat', and also lose the 'th' after 9 for the date. Also don't need to capitalize 'Forces', that's something you need to check all the way through the article.
    Done --Kumioko (talk) 22:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'As an officer of the aforementioned guerrilla unit, he participated in the attack on the Japanese Garrison at Karangalan' - Never previously mentioned that he was an officer in the guerrilla group, and what attack on the garrison - which shouldn't be capitalized, again - was that? Needs context.
    Done --Kumioko (talk) 22:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'His unit joined the continued campaign leading the liberation of the Philippines.' - Poor grammar, please rewrite.
    Done --Kumioko (talk) 22:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'he was later assigned to the occupation of Okinawa with the 44th Infantry Regiment.' - Would be best to mention the unit first and then that the unit was taking part in the occupation, as no individual themselves conducted the occupation.
    Done --Kumioko (talk) 22:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'On Fort Sam Houston, Texas within the Family Housing area Calugas Circle was dedicated in his honor,' - Needs a comma after Texas and area. Also, what is Caluga Circle?
    Done. --Kumioko (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    'In 2006, a 36-unit apartment building, designed for low-income and disabilities residents was dedicated as the "Sgt. Jose Calugas, Sr. Apartments" in High Point, Seattle, Washington.' - 'disabled'
    Done. --Kumioko (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Memorial Day has passed already, please place in the past tense.
    Done. --Kumioko (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    'For his actions on that day, he was awarded the Medal of Honor.[9][10]' - Do we know who recommended him, and any details of this?
    'During this time, he was naturalized as a U.S. Citizen, even though he was born a U.S. National.' - This makes no sense - why would he be naturalized if born a US national? Please explain.
  • It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  • It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  • It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  • It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  • Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Needs a lot of prose work, but should be good to pass when all this is done. Skinny87 (talk) 12:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed this article was submitted for GA and although I didn't submit it, the article has been reviewed fro almost a month so since I have been a major contributor in the past I am going to take this on. If anyone has a problem with me doing this since I was not the "submitter" please let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 21:15, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Kumioko, the article still needs work. I have fixed approximately 30 typos in the first section. I've also suggested some headings. There is a fact tag that needs a citation attached to it. Please go through the rest and fix the spelling of artillery, Japanese, etc., and other spelling issues. The Post POW combat needs explanation and clarification (and expansion if you can). This really is not ready yet. Let me know when you're ready. Oh, and would you please change the inlines to citations? Auntieruth55 (talk) 21:27, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
After additional work, the article is passed. Auntieruth55 (talk) 20:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Which Marshall?

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Hate to bring this up, but might have found an error. The article states, with two reliable source references, that the MoH was presented by GEN George C. Marshall. That being said, there is material posted by a California based non-profit that states that the medal was presented by MG Richard Marshall. Does the weight of the two reliable sources trump the one possible reliable source, or should the contested material be removed all together, or should both be mentioned? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:24, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know which is right to be honest. It might take a little research to figure that one out. I have to be honest I'm not really doing much editing these days so I may not get to this any time soon. --Kumioko (talk) 00:12, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
One is through a source with a COI, even if it is published via a CA based non-prof, that is his Son SFC Calugas Jr.; but matches photo records; and we use the source to verify other content in the article. The other source is a reliable sourced news organization, a Seattle based newspaper. Weight says the news organization is more likely to carry more weight, as is the published book which is used to support George C. Marshall as the presenting General Officer. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:23, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That is if the book and newsorg are correct, and the image and his son are wrong.
On a completely separate note, here is him meeting John F. Kennedy.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:33, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New Information

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I have found some new information from a possible non-RS here; they are photos taken at a museum in Iloilo Museum (Museo Iloilo).

image of CPT Calugas meeting POTUS Kennedy in 1963
image of CPT Calugas' uniform
image of a certificate
another image of CPT Calugas' uniform

The reasons why I bring this up as it might help improve the Honors and awards section, but as the images do not appear to come from an RS I will hold off on adding them until the images are seen as being RSs at RSN. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion can be found here. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 10:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that the sources here have found to be reliable, and content using these sources will be used accordingly. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An archive of the discussion described at RSN ca be found here. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let me transcribe something a fellow editor has written on my talk page:

Greetings,

First, I dropped a note on The Citadel External Affairs Office on Facebook (knew that ap was good for something!) about whether they have or ever had a Master of the Sword. No answer yet.

Second, I was intrigued by a couple of things about the uniform associated with Jose Calugas. The awards (ribbons) on the uniform don't match those one the wikipedia page; the uniform shows at least two Good Conduct Medals and the Occupation Medal that we don't show. The name tag is one that we wore with the Army Green uniform and I don't remember them being used with the older uniforms; it was before my time. I was wondering if the museum took some liberties. This is partly based on a walking tour of USS Alabama. It included a pass through "warrant officer country," where a nice Army warrant officer uniform was hanging in a locker. Whatever.

--Gaarmyvet (talk) 00:24, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Now to avoid the possibility of other editors believing an off page discussion constitutes a cabal I have suggested we continue the discussion here.

Now the reason for the difference of what is posted in the article page and what we see in the photo is the present awards reflect congressional record as spoken to Representative Bob Filner. The representative has a large Filipino American population in his district and claims to work for World War II Filipino Veterans rights, at one point sponsoring the Filipino Veterans Fairness Act, but never really doing anything to advance it substantially (even while he was the chair of the Veteran Affairs Committee in the House during the 111th Congress.)

The image itself is newer than the congressional record, and is of a uniform that was donated to a museum that receives Philippine Government funding. At RSN the image was deemed to be a reliable source. At this point I believe that some of the differences between the congressional record and what is on the uniform is that the last time the uniform was probably updated by the family was when the Captain retired, this would explain the lack of the Prisoner of War Medal due to it being created in the 80s and Calugas retiring in the 50s.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If CPT Jose Calugas was awarded the Army Good Conduct Medal, it would have been for his service as an enlisted man; officers do not qualify for the GCM. Did Calugas finish his career as an officer or as an NCO? If he finished as an officer, the GCMs should be old. (I'm not clear as to whether Philippine Scouts qualified for the GCM.) If he finished his service as an NCO the GCMs could be new; the apartments in Seattle were named after Sergeant Calugas. Because he retired as an NCO? Because the service for which he was being honored was that in the Philippines? I don't know and the article about Seattle doesn't go into detail. The Army of Occupation Medal is another challenge; except for occupied Berlin, it was not awarded after the 1950s.
However back to the "original question." I don't think the medal in question was awarded by the United States. All US medals that I have seen hang from a ring attached to a tapering ribbon. I poked around at List of military decorations and some of the "national pages" for our allies in WW II and the structure of the medal resembles those of the British Empire/Commonwealth, but it may apply to others as well.
I hope I haven't muddled rather than clarified.
I'll continue the quest about Master of the Sword on an appropriate page.
--Gaarmyvet (talk) 21:09, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The son of the subject is accessible, we can ask him.
From the sources that are listed in the article, and from what I have read, the subject retired as a Captain.
As for the Army of Occupation Medal, as is stated in the article, he received a direct commission in the 44th Infantry and served in Okinawa during the American occupation of Japan.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 22:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a link to the identification assistance request here; there is a presently unidentified medal on the uniform in the images from the museum in Iloilo. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 22:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have emailed the son of the subject of the article and received the following response, with redaction of names:
Hi Mr. ****
Please go to google search and type Jose Calugas, Sr., it will give you a lot of information about my ather. He was a Sgt. with the 88th FA PS during WWII and was commissioned after the war and retained his commission officer, retired as captain after 27 years in the US Army. He retired as a captain in 1957 at Ft. Lewis, Washington and that is the same uniform that he wore at the retirement ceremony at Ft. Leiws. I donated his uniform at the Museo of Iliolo, Philippines, since he was born in Bgy. Tagsing, Leon Iloilo, Philippines.
I am also the National president of the Philippine Scouts Heritage Society, preserving the history, heritage, and legacy of the Philippine Scouts. Our website: www.philippine-scouts.org
**** *******, **.
National President
This is in response the the following email I sent, with names redacted:
SFC *******:
I thought you might be interested that there is presently a discussion regarding medals and other awards that your father was the recipient of at the Wikipedia page about him. A link to the current discussion can be found here. If there are improvements to the article, due to COI, please let us know in the article's talk page, and provide us with reliable sources, so they page can be improved.
-***** ****
Chula Vista, California
Unfortunetly, this still does not answer the question of what the medal below the Army of Occupation medal is. I will continue my research. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:36, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Decoration is almost certainly the (Philippine) Distinguished Conduct Star, albeit a different design iteration to that currently shown at Medals of the World. His son refers to him being presented this decoration (see here). The ribbon is heavily faded but the key design elements are very similar. The design of the decoration in the photo is clearly based on that of the US Medal of Honor. Given his World War II service, it would only be a US or a Philippine decoration. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 15:08, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the information, the question I have is is this a reliable source? It looks that way but it is a second hand account of the event. I will take this to RSN, if they are satisfied, then lets add it.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:42, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Monument

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Appears that in the subjects home town there has been erected a monument to him.

That being said, there does not appear to be a reliable source which we can use in the article space for us to add information about the monument.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:13, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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