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His Personal Background[edit]

Is there a source for what's written of his personal background? Little is known about his parents and as such I wonder which source claimed his late father committed suicide? One anti-Khairy blog that I read said his father "... served in various diplomatic overseas posts but died during one of his postings there." (http://mymalaysia.wordpress.com/2006/10/09/the-truth-about-khairy-jamaluddin-2/), so I highly doubt his father committed suicide after retirement due to financial difficulties. This story was then used to justify his "hatred" (seriously, hatred?) towards Mahathir. It's very convenient for the author to write down such things but without any source, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.82.80.113 (talk) 14:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

NPOV[edit]

We might have the problem of NPOV in this article. Though I don't really trust that guy, we have to adhere to Wikipedia's policies. __earth (Talk) 14:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

NPOV[edit]

Agreed with Earth. The article seem to be based mostly on hearsay with poor reference source. Please improve the article through balance writing and credible sources rather just hearsay. --Suryasuharman 02:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

right, we should relieve on blogs and unpublish works, that definitely POV.--Towaru 12:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite[edit]

I chucked out unsourced material and those that made incredulous claims without reliable sources, in line with the policy on biographies of living people. I have requested citations and verification for a number of other controversial statements, and added a source for one of Khairy's quotes. The writing style has been cleaned up a bit to reduce the anti-Khairy bias. (Someone should probably check up on that "lukewarm response" to his paper on the Economic Jihad, though.) Johnleemk | Talk 12:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite[edit]

"...cronies to milk lucrative contracts offered by GLCs in Malaysia." Rewrite :- ...associates in a favourable position in order to secure lucrative contracts offered by GLCs in Malaysia.

Note : Yeah, he is an absolute dickhead. But let us not taint Wikipedia by emulating KJ's fascist and opportunistic stance.

"With a thesis like that, one wonders how he managed in Oxford. "

Rewrite :- Expunged.

I think it warrants a place in Discussions, not on the front page.

Babyrina2 02:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Biased mainstream media[edit]

For my opinion, it is hard to find sources from mainstream media that is non-biased towards Khairy. It is due to the fact that the government has controlled the mainstream media and therefore many sources from this article are obtained from underground resources. Hezery99 00:12, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Its true, I am very agree with this. All mainstream media in Malaysia was controlled to support Goverment. An example is an issue with the Lojing Highland in Kelantan. Limap5 07:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Khairy a part of Wikiproject Judaism?[edit]

How so? If the guy's a Jew, then I'm Jesus Christ.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.142.97.224 (talkcontribs) 15:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

As it turns out, it was a bot that put that WikiProject banner in. Since bots make poor judges, you know what to do. - Two hundred percent 09:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:BLP[edit]

I see that the problems of NPOV, amongst others, have been raised many times before, but the article is still full of contents contrary to Wikipedia policy, guidelines and foundation issues.

Biographies of living persons (BLPs) must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid paper; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. The possibility of harm to living subjects is one of the important factors to be considered when exercising editorial judgment. WP:BLP

Therefore, I've deleted the first section in Controversies and Criticism for contravention of amongst others the following Wikipedia foundation issues and editorial principles - WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, WP:SOURCE, WP:NOR

The sub-title itself is malicious and does nothing but cast libelous aspersion to the subject matter (see False light).

The first two sentences sentence falls foul of several Wikipedia policy especially WP:BLP contained in the first box above. These two sentences are surely "Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous."

The third sentence is actually about how Malaysiakini had to apologize for false/mis-reporting. Leaving it there would certainly be casting unfair aspersion on the subject matter. (see False light).

As for the last two paragraphs, again they are contrary to so many Wikipedia policies. Sufficient for me to point out they are against WP:BLP, WP:NPOV and WP:SOURCE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KrishenG666 (talkcontribs) 09:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP[edit]

I have removed the first sub-section under Controversies and Criticism. All materials in the sub-section, including the title, are contrary to Wikipedia guidelines, amongst others WP:BLP, WP:NPOV and WP:SOURCE, to name a few. Please note that Wikipedia guideline says,

"We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space. WP:BLP

The burden of evidence is with the author putting the stuff in, not with the editor taking it out. Sufficient for me to cite the three Wikipedia guidelines above. There are many other guidelines and Wiki principles which the deleted the subsection offended. Please read them especially WP:BLP.

WP:NOR[edit]

Introduction to the category is the writer's own opinion. Please note that No original research is one of three core content policies of Wikipedia. If you have original research or commentary to contribute to a subject, there are numerous other places to do so, such as at WikiInfo.

Quoting WP:NOR, "Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, or arguments. Citing sources and avoiding original research are inextricably linked: to demonstrate that you are not presenting original research, you must cite reliable sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and that directly support the information as it is presented."Mekhdi (talk) 08:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:NOR, WP:SOURCE, WP:VERIFY[edit]

I have expunged the term "controversial" relating to the merger in the first line of ECM Libra. This is an opinion of the writer and to me contrary to WP:NOR. Please cite reliable source if the writer want to revert using this term to describe the merger.

As for the line talking about the loan, this is contrary to the Wikipedia policies of WP:SOURCE, WP:BLP, WP:VERIFY and WP:LIBEL.

I've also removed a source from a personal blog, as this constitute unreliable source under WP:SOURCE. To include or argue about the inclusion of this source, use the Wikipedia procedure of discussing it first on Wikipedia's reliable sources noticeboard.

To quote WP:BLP, "We must get the article right.Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space."

Using this guideline amongst others, I've deleted the link from the personal blog. Please use as guide WP:BURDEN, WP:SOURCES and WP:REDFLAG before reverting back to using the link from the personal blog. Note what WP:REDFLAG says - "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources"!Mekhdi (talk) 09:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:NOR, WP:SOURCE, WP:VERIFY[edit]

I edited the title of the existing subcategory to "Allegation of undue influence by former Malaysian Prime Minister". This is to reflect what was said and reflected in the source.[1]. I've also deleted the other two sources in this sub-category - one, from Channel News Asia, returned a broken link. The other is a source from a personal blog, and contrary to WP:SOURCE, WP:BLP, WP:VERIFY and WP:LIBEL amongst other things.

See what WP:BLP says, "Material about living persons available solely in questionable sources or sources of dubious value should not be used, either as a source or as an external link.

And, "Never use self-published books, zines, websites, webforums, and blogs as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article."

So, I've used the remaining source as the source for this sub-category, and edited the subcategory to actually show what was said in the source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mekhdi (talkcontribs) 10:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP[edit]

I've taken out the sub-category about Mat Rempit. Each sentence in the sub-category did not have proper source. The source from The Star did not say what the Wikipedia editor put in the article.

The source from sebaran.com only contained the title of various articles from Malaysin newspapers, and do not support anything that was aid in the section.

So I removed the sub-category under guidelines in WP:BLP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mekhdi (talkcontribs) 10:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP[edit]

Re section of what is now called "Statement about non-Malays". References [16] and [17] return broken links, so I’ve removed the broken links from the References section.

Which left the section with one source only, the one from The Star.

Re: first sentence of previous version – Nothing in the source said anything like the first sentence in the section, so it failed WP:SOURCE and WP:VERIFY and WP:BLP.

Re: sentences 2-9 of previous version – Each fails one of, some of, or all of WP:BLP, WP:SOURCE, WP:VERIFY, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, WP:LIBEL, False light, WP:QS, WP:REDFLAG.

So I’ve re-structured the subsection based on References [15].

In addition, because the original title is surely contrary to WP:BLP and False light and may even run counter to WP:LIBEL (any lawyer here?), I’ve changed it to what I think is the most balanced phrase I can think of, based on the source given.

Sorry, but we MUST put content and sources based on Wikipedia policies.

Subsection “Jihad Ekonomi Melayu”

There are three sentences in this subsection. All three I take out following WP:BLP, WP:VERIFY, WP:SOURCES and WP:LIBEL to name a few. Note that for “Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.” This is taken from WP:BLP page.

Note also what Jimbo Wales said, “I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons.”. See WP:VERIFY

The only source for that section that claims to refer to an Agenda Daily article [2] (is Agenda Daily even a reliable source? – but that’s a different story) says or implies nothing as what is said in the third sentence. Read it to confirm what I said.

Which leave this section with no content. So I take out the whole section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KrishenG666 (talkcontribs) 01:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:LINKSTOAVOID, WP:EL, WP:BLP[edit]

Take out External links to a personal blog which clearly contrary to WP:BLP,WP:BLPSTYLE, WP:EL and WP:LINKSTOAVOID.

Please see in WP:LINKSTOAVOID that says

"Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject—and not prohibited by restrictions on linking—one should avoid:

11. Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority (this exception is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for biographies)." and

"2. Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research. See Reliable sources for explanations of the terms "factually inaccurate material" or "unverifiable research"." —Preceding unsigned comment added by KrishenG666 (talkcontribs) 09:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:LINKSTOAVOID should include 'News Agency and Broadcasts Medium controlled by the target subject'; Khairy Jamaluddin. The Star and BERNAMA news agency should NOT be cited for facts and news as subject has vested interest in these 'news agencies' as the Ruling coalition governemnt(which KJ as son-in-law of the current PM) owns them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.73.9.109 (talk) 06:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


Copyright problem removed[edit]

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removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV[edit]

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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  1. ^ Beech, Hannah (October 30, 2006). Not the Retiring Type (page three). TIME.
  2. ^ Agenda Daily [1]