Talk:Khuzaima Qutbuddin

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2014

Lanati Khuzaima Qutbuddin has been excommunicated from the Bohra Community officially after his false and unacceptable claim. Special:Contributions (talk) 10:41, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Not done: You have made no edit request in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ", so it is unclear what you want added.
Furthermore, you have not cited any reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

"Please replace ‘Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin claims the 53rd Dā‘ī l-Muṭlaq (Dai, or Unrestricted Missionary) of the Dawoodi Bohras’ with "Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin claims the 53rd Dā‘ī l-Muṭlaq (Dai, or Unrestricted Missionary) of the Dawoodi Bohras. There is report that 'unilateral claim has not gone down well with the 2-5 million-strong Dawoodi Bohra community' and they 'decided to excommunicate him from the community'." . 122.168.201.122 (talk) 10:41, 23 January 2014 (UTC) Request reviewed as per comment.--Md iet (talk) 03:57, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2014

The base of the article in which it is commemorated as 'Syedna' is completely fake. He is not currently a 'Syedna'(A post which is only used to refer the leader of Dawoodi Bohra community. Right now the leader is Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin. This Khuzaima Qutbuddin was a Syedi & Mazoon. But he wrongfully claimed that he was the true successor when the whole community of 1 million strong has witnessed Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (52nd Dai) giving nass(succession) to Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (53rd Dai) publicly, 3 years ago. Khuzaima never claimed anything at that time. The day Syedna Burhannuddin passed away, he claimed that nass had been done on him 49 years ago in seclusion. Now even in seclusion, this ceremony requires at least 4 witnesses. He doesn't have one and claims that he was been anointed. There was an instance in the past when this had happened privately when no one else was present. But, in that time the conditions were different. In this case the Syedna Burhannuddin had 50 years to disclose it if he truly was the successor. In this age of technology even if secrecy was to be kept(as Khuzaima claims), he could have at least made a video or recording secretly with Syedna Mohammed Burhannuddin for proof. But he has none. The reason? He was never anointed.

All other information mentioned is correct but in the present, he is not to be referred as 'Syedna', 'Syedi' or ' Mazoon'. He once used to hold these positions, but now all of his offices are taken away because he revolted against the 53rd Dai Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin and in our community if you do not believe the dai, the you are not a Bohra and this holds true for all religions. You cant be called a Christian if you do not believe in Jesus, Nor can you be a hindu if you do not worship 'Shiva', nor can you be a Muslim if you do not follow ' Rasullah saw' and similarly u can't be a Dawoodi Bohra if you do not follow the 'current Dai'.

Khuzaima only has few members of his own family with him All his brothers and their children and families are with Mufaddal Moula. Even his own daughter is with Mufaddal Moula. He has very few people on his side not even 0.1% of the total Dawoodi -Bohra strength.

His own son, Abdeali had previously accepted that Syedna Mufaddal is the true successor. Now he has retracted from that, but any ways in this digital age, I have a video proof. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xaVDhYGvEfc References - http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com/

I entirely agree with the above statements and verify as a member of the Dawoodi Bohra Community, that Khuzaima Qutbuddin is an imposter and has attempted to forcibly seize the position as Syedna/ Dai and such lies should not be entertained and posted on wikipedia to mislead readers of this article.

http://www.dnaindia.com/pune/report-bohras-come-out-in-support-of-syedna-s-son-1957086 http://freepressjournal.in/syedna-aali-qadr-mufaddal-saifuddin/ http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-syedna-mufaddal-bhaisaheb-saifuddin-was-anointed-in-2011-1953934 http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-134494-Mufaddal-Bhaisaheb-Saifuddin-new-spiritual-head-of-Bohra-community TahaKachwala (talk) 10:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

 Not done Evidently what you have said is the view you hold to be true, but editing to impose a particular point of view on an article is unacceptable. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:56, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Malcontent

I belong to dawoodi bohra community and would like to report a malcontent.

Khuzaima Qutbuddin is notBold text 53rd Dā‘ī l-Muṭlaq (Dai, or unrestricted missionary) of the Dawoodi Bohras, however just a claimant. Syedna AaliQadr Mufaddal Saifuddin is the successor of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin and 53rd Dā'ī l-Muṭlaq of the Dawoodi Bohras.Italic text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.249.26.34 (talk) 07:13, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2014

Please replace "Khuzaima Qutbuddin is the 53rd Dā‘ī l-Muṭlaq (Dai, or unrestricted missionary) of the Dawoodi Bohras" with "Khuzaima Qutbuddin is the not the 53rd Dā‘ī l-Muṭlaq (Dai, or unrestricted missionary) of the Dawoodi Bohras and has falsely self acclaimed to be the 53rd Dā‘ī l-Muṭlaq (Dai, or unrestricted missionary)."

117.200.32.161 (talk) 09:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

 Not done there is a well documented dispute as to who the 53rd Dā‘ī l-Muṭlaq is, as is reflected in the article which currently says

"Khuzaima Qutbuddin has claimed to be the 53rd Dā‘ī l-Muṭlaq (Dai, or unrestricted missionary) of the Dawoodi Bohras" it does not say he is, or is not - Arjayay (talk) 11:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Add self claimed also because no one other than he himself started his claim, and no one other than himself was knowing about his private Succession issue.

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2014

Khuzaima is a claimant to the office of 53rd Da'i al Mutlaq and not the 53rd Da'i al Mutlaq. The 53rd Da'i al Mutlaq is Syedna Muffadal Saifuddin TUS who is the legal heir and son of the 52nd Da'i al Mutlaq, Syedna Mohamed Burhanuddin RA.Da'i_al-Mutlaq + Mufaddal_Saifuddin

Adamalpha (talk) 09:40, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done (by another) The article currently says "Khuzaima Qutbuddin has claimed to be the 53rd Dā‘ī l-Muṭlaq (Dai, or unrestricted missionary) of the Dawoodi Bohras" - Arjayay (talk) 11:28, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2014

1. Please change "then Syedi Khuzaima BS" to "Khuzaima Qutbuddin" as BS is not understood by everyone. Is not consistent with other references.
2. Please update "brother of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin" to "half-brother of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin" [1]

Asms5253 (talk) 19:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia

please don't make fool out of your selves. This guy Khuzaima Qutbuddin is trying to gain publicity through media because no one in our community, i mean not even 0.01% of people entertained his claims. There have been many claimers to the spiritual post of syedna in the past, but no one knew about them because no one entertained them at all. The only thing that makes people interested a little in this issue is because he is syedna's step brother. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin was the SPIRITUAL leader of the dawoodi bohra community, this status is achieved to someone who has achieved highest milestones in knowledge and wisdom. do you think that there is the slightest possibility that a person such high in wisdom would appoint some-one in a closed room without making even one single person witness???!. no one from Syedna's sons or brothers or anyone else has witnessed this, even the claimant full brothers deny his appointment and acknowledge to have witnessed SYEDNA MUFADDAL SAIFUDDIN's appointment as the 53rd Syedna in public.

My request to admins please don't waste time on this issue and delete this page. This person is just harrasing the Bohra Community.nothing else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markdrows (talk • contribs) 11:20, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

If there are people believing in his position then I would say he deserves a page. Alsman53 (talk) 08:16, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

References taken from Fatemidawat.com is not valid. It is not a reliable source.

Fatemidawat.com is the site made by Khuzaima Qutbuddin itself just to put his claims. That is not a reliable source. Even I can make my own site and put Faith content in that.

Request to Admins: Please consider refs only from reliable media sources.

I have cleaned up all the content referencing www.fatemidawat.com because that is a biased website. Markdrows

fatemidawat.com is just here to give a reference to Qutbuddin claim. The same way http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com/ is used on Mufaddal Saifuddin article. Ftutocdg (talk) 19:49, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Only Khuzaima Qutbuddin is Claimant

First of all it is a community affair which is clear to the Dawoodi Bohra Muslim community worldwide and those who have an issue with it are free to call themselves whatever they want to and separate themselves from the mainstream. It is astonishing that Wikipedia calls for two claimants where as there is only one, namely, Khuzaima. Logically talking when did any judiciary system in the world have any authority over the beliefs of the common man especially in a secular and largest democratic country like India. The issue is not about faith it is about material gains that Khuzaima is after and the entire claim is for the same. The dawedar or the claimant is a person who moves to the court of law in a country therefore Khuzaima is the claimant, while Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS should be called by his rightful and respectable name as Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, which wiki has very thoughtfully and tactically neglected, until the claimant in anyway comes up with some public issuance against it. Another thoughtful view to the situation is, for example, a saint (India has many of them) goes to the court asking to force people to accept him as a saint of an XYZ community what would the court do. The question would have astonishing replies. One such reply would be why would a saint or a spiritual leader ever want to go to court to prove his Godliness. God's men do not need any court to prove their spirituality nor do they need public support or majority. Its the hearts and souls of living humans that make them men of the Lord. Let the media not try to make easy money by sensationalizing internal community affairs and hurt the religious sentiments and morals of law abiding citizens. If Khuzaima has decided to go to court let it be and let the court come up with its own version of decision which on the other hand will not effect the love and faith of the Dawoodi Bohra community for His Holiness Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS. Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS has and will take the community to further heights in following the tenets of Islam and prosperity in this life as well, with sense of morality and responsibility towards all creation of Allah as a peace loving society; continuing the legacy of our most beloved Maula al-Hayy al-Muqaddas, the 52nd Dai al-Multaq, Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.

So it is my request to remove Claimant from Mufaddal Saifuddin Page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.183.34 (talk) 03:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Khuzaima Qutbuddin

Hello everybody, I'm Anup. I've re-written the article under dispute from a new end as a whole to make it in compliance with Wikipedia policy and guidelines. There are few changes made, some earlier involved editors might not be agree with. Express your concerns here, propose your changes here, but before you do, familiarize yourself with WP:BLP, WP:UNDUE, WP:STRUCTURE, WP:OR and WP:V. Thank you! Anupmehra -Let's talk! 16:03, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2014

Please change the title name "Khuzaima Qutbuddin" to "Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin" as his name has changed. source "http://www.fatemidawat.com/resources/evidence-of-nass/syedna-qutbuddins-rightful-succession/" Khuzaima taher qutbuddin (talk) 19:57, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: -"Syedna" is not a part of his name but a honorific title given to the religious head of Bohra community. And, at present it is disputed between Khuzaima Qutbuddin and his half-nephew Mufaddal Saifuddin. Source provided in support to make the change, is a self-published source. We need 'multiple' secondary reliable sources that are independent of Khuzaima Qutbuddin. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 10:37, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Actually he has followers who beleive hi to be the Syedna, which confers upon him that position, I think 150 people would make a difference Alsman53 (talk) 08:14, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2019

There is a link to libelious website at the start of the article defaming the subject of the article. Alsman53 (talk) 19:56, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 21:46, 1 June 2019 (UTC)