Talk:Kit Carson

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Former good article nominee Kit Carson was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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June 23, 2007 Good article nominee Not listed
January 31, 2015 Good article nominee Not listed
April 13, 2015 Good article nominee Not listed
Current status: Former good article nominee


First Battle of Adobe Walls[edit]

This section needs more research, and more work, and a NPOV. Calling our native Americans "thieves and murderers" violates the Wikipedia NPOV dictate and is seriously offensive to that population. Also, nothing is in this section that gives the reasons why the Indians were attacking wagon trains - that primarily being because the settlers, military and hunters were exterminating the bison, their main food source. Books have been written about this First Battle of Adobe Walls. The Indians won. Kit Carson saved face by claiming victory, but the Indians won. The Texas Panhandle Frontier written by Frederick W. Rathjen and published by Texas Tech University Press says:...the first battle of Adobe Walls was hardly a victory for Kit Carson or the "brilliant affair" that Carleton credited it. Later, Carson "admitted that he was beaten on that day and was fortunate to escape with any of his men at all[1]. There are many sources, and much research on this battle. The source quote of The Texas State Library and Archives Commission writes: "The result of Adobe Walls was a crushing spiritual defeat for the Indians. It also prompted the U.S. military to take its final actions to crush the Indians once and for all. Within the year, the long war between whites and Indians in Texas would reach its conclusion." is not referring to the battle Kit Carson was involved in. It's the Second Battle of Adobe Walls that happened a decade later. Good luck with this, but this section needs a rewrite. — Maile (talk) 00:44, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

In regards to referencing, there is a fairly recent book:
if you are interested in spending that much time researching this.— Maile (talk) 14:23, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I am removing the sentence: "The battle is considered by some to be Carson's finest moment, and is thought one of the factors that made the Kiowas and Comanches sue for peace in 1865." since it is misleading, and the "some" is Carleton who sent Carson into this. Historians, such as quoted above, disagree with Carleton. Even Carson himself disagreed with Carleton. Besides the obvious that a military retreat is not a "finest moment", the sentence also is misleading in that it indirectly discredits everything else Carson did in his life. The history of the Kiowas and Comanches in Texas was long and complicated, and it doesn't seem like watching their enemy being forced into a retreat would cause them to ask for peace. — Maile (talk) 18:23, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Battle of Chosin Reservoir was not a victory either, nevertheless it was one of the "finest hours" of Marine Corp history. User:Fred Bauder Talk 08:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Death[edit]

Carson was injured by a horse on Mosca pass and died eventually of that injury. I've seen a source, but don't remember exactly where. User:Fred Bauder Talk 09:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

The injury was in 1860 and he didn't die until 1868, so it may have been a contributing factor, but he was active for several years after the injury. Smallchief (talk) 09:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)