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The part about kizomba in the Uk seems just to have been added to promote certain companies and i'm not sure it's completely accurate in its information?

SalsaLouisa (talk) 14:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

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It is a pitty we can't put music samples in wikipedia. Or it is possible we can put 30 secongs of music? There is a licence problem with that or not? Angolan kizombas are very varied, and are not exactly African, but rather a very Afro-Latin music genre. -Pedro 6 July 2005 00:21 (UTC)


from the article:

A rather large degree of flexibility in the knees is required, owing to the frequent requirement that dancers bob up and down in a manner reminiscent of a music-hall policeman.
  • the author must be confusing kizomba with Kuduro. These are two different things. in kizomba there is the need to greater flexibility in the hips! In kuduro in the hipps and knees. Both styles are different both in the dancing style and rhythm. --Pedro 16:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Independent sources[edit]

This article lacks independent sources, see WP:RS and WP:VERIFY. Dougweller (talk) 15:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Kizomba and Tango[edit]

Not only are there no citations for references to the origins of kizomba in tango, but the description makes no sense at all. It seems to be suggesting that kizomba and tango share a common cultural heritage and that colonial dancers of tango influenced the African dance. I suppose both are possible but if so, it's an extraordinary coincidence. Tesspub (talk) 11:36, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Slavery in Argentina[edit]

"The generally accepted theory is that in the mid-1800s, African slaves were brought to Argentina and began to influence the local culture." This cannot be true. Slavery was mostly abolished in Argentina in 1813 and completely abolished in 1853. See Abolition_of_slavery_timeline Tesspub (talk) 09:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm not yet sure where the tango comes into all of this, but there's a bigger problem:
Kizomba and tarachinha arc similar dance forms, more intimate, sensuous, and slower than semba. Like semba, kizomba is normally danced with a partner in a light embrace. Conflicting notions exist regarding the origins of kizomba. Although some contend that it is of Angolan origin with influences from other Lusophone countries, others hold that it originated on the Cape Verde Islands. Whatever its origins, kizomba is known throughout Lusophone Africa and in Portugal, particularly in Lisbon and its suburbs that have immigrant communities. In fact, kizomba is usually sung in Portuguese with African rhythms. Angolan musicians who play kizomba include Flores, Paim, Murras, Irmaos Verdade, and Don Kikas."[1]. It's also called Zouk - see [2]. Dougweller (talk) 09:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Deletion?[edit]

Just about every "fact" in this article seems to have been questioned. Some of it is confusing, some of it is advertising, much of it is clearly wrong. I wonder if there's a case for deletion. Or does anyone know someone qualified to re-write it to a decent standard? Tesspub (talk) 10:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

No case for deletion as it clearly meets our criteria for notability. I've done some work, more than I really have time for. 10:26, 12 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talkcontribs)

Edit warring[edit]

I've now protected this article, for the second time. Edit waring will not be tolerated. Provide sources for your edits, use the talk page to dicuss. Don't just add stuff that you 'know' to be right, back it up. Thanks. GedUK  11:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Nonsense[edit]

Does anyone here know how to read Portuguese? If yes then why not translate the article written in Portuguese? It has references, and ends at a time with this nonsense. And by the way, Kizomba is not and never was Cape-Verde origin, only a few "enlightened" think it is, just check that Kizomba was born in 1980 and cabo-love/cabo-zouk, that is clearly influenced by Zouk, appears only in 1986. Zorglub-PRV (talk) 02:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Who does not know anything about music do not invent. All the music from Antilles and South America is of African origin, so it is very normal, for much strange it looks, that looks-like African music. Plus, the famous merengue, originates in Angola and was brought to south America by Angolan slaves, and Zouk uses African rhythms such as Makossa, so despite being a strange coincidence, it is not surprising that Zouk sounds like the Kizomba and it is not surprising that those who do not know what is Kizomba, made confusion with Cabo-Zouk a bad imitation of Zouk made ​​in Cape Verde. So stop misrepresent the article Kizomba because you are committing a blunder. Zorglub-PRV (talk) 19:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Why is the kizomba called a type of Japanese drinking gathering?[edit]

Or 'why don't editors check what they are linking to'. This just makes the article look stupid. More seriously, why are there claims in the lead that aren't mentioned in the body of the article? See WP:LEAD. Dougweller (talk) 07:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Influences[edit]

Kizomba is prior to Zouk, and Kassav only began to be heard in Angola in 1986, if there are some influences is from kizomba to zouk and not the way around. Zorglub (talk) 22:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring - article protected for the 3rd time[edit]

To quote the Admin above, " Edit waring will not be tolerated. Provide sources for your edits, use the talk page to dicuss. Don't just add stuff that you 'know' to be right, back it up." I've only protected for a week but if this continues I will protect for much longer. Dougweller (talk) 08:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Sometimes edit wars have positive outcomes. the article is impressively good. Needs pics and sounds now to be better. I'll add Anselmo Ralph to the list. He is very popular for sometime now. ---Pedro (talk) 00:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Kizomba video not working?[edit]

What the heck is with that example, it is not working properly. This is shameful. Please revise it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.181.2 (talk) 07:51, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it is pathetically dysfunctional. Can we please have an explanation as to why it should remain in the article? Why was it found worth adding back? If no good explanation can be given it will be removed again after a reasonable waiting period of a few days.Colin McTroll (talk) 03:37, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Kizomba video not working March 2017[edit]

(moved from user page; video quality concern already pointed to in above post dated July 2016)
Information icon Hello, I'm TJH2018. I noticed that you removed topically-relevant content from Kizomba. However, Wikipedia is not censored to remove content that might be considered objectionable. Please do not remove or censor information that directly relates to the subject of the article. If the content in question involves images, you have the option to configure Wikipedia to hide images that you may find offensive. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. TJH2018talk 03:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
TJH2018 Dude, your "argument" is utterly irrelevant and off point as it wasn't removed on "censorship" grounds. Don't come HERE to discuss it. The proper procedure is to BRD on the Talk page. See you there. Colin McTroll (talk) 03:29, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Colin McTroll, I am coming here to discuss it. You literally said it was "pathetic." Before removing, did you take a look and find a copyright free replacement? You've just started editing on March 5th, and I'm very surprised that you even know what that is...TJH2018talk 03:32, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Also, BRD is not procedure, had you taken the time to even read past the sixth word. It is purely optional. TJH2018talk 03:36, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

TJH2018 Dude, No I didnt find a copyfree replacement, nor is that a relevant question in this case. What I found was a dysfunctional video. That fact was already commented on at the Talk page almost a year ago by someone else. The video doesn't show anything. Nor is it cited. It's really quite bad. Sorry if you feel otherwise. Do you mind confirming you actually checked the video and that you actually find some merit to what the video demonstrates? What is that merit because it isn't obvious to me? BRD is optional but that isn't much of a point either and since the issue is ALREADY on the Talk page I will be nice and move this here and get any general input that the community at large wants to add. Colin McTroll (talk) 03:48, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

@Colin McTroll: Your link to a YouTube video in the edit summary clearly shows that you have no idea what you're even talking about in regards to policy. You tried to use WP:BRD as a justification for your removal, and also tried to pass it off as policy (since you clearly didn't read it). I'm now going to point you towards WP:PRESERVE. Please take a look at that before putting your personal opinion of someone's work into play. Also, your username implies that you are WP:NOTHERE. TJH2018talk 04:08, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
@TJH2018: Dude, have it your way and keep the video. We have a majorly different perception of its merits. Your energetic desire to retain the video implies you are completely sure the video works and actually nicely shows something. I respect that and I am disengaging. Out. Colin McTroll (talk) 04:59, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Video is very poor addition to article[edit]

I backed off on immediately dealing with this issue because any non-fake discussion will need to look at what is or is not useful about the video. I am now reintroducing the proposal that the video is not worth readers' time as itt fails to properly demonstrate anything in a meaningful way. I will remove the video in a day or two unless there is consensus otherwise. After removal it can also be discussed here if people want to add it back. Colin McTroll (talk) 14:57, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I took a look at the video currently on the page, and I agree with Colin McTroll. The video is inaccurate to the point that it adds nothing to the article. The character in the video barely moves; the dance shown does not seem to accurately represent kizomba, for example as depicted here: [3]. The character doesn't do the two-step forward/back motion that is a characteristic of the dance. Until a good freely-licensed video can be found, there are a few photos of kizomba on Commons that could be helpful: [4] or [5] for example. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 16:43, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Howicus Thank you for putting in elegant analytical wording what I saw as problematic: an absence of adequate demonstartion of the characteristics of the kizomba dance. I will remove the video maybe tomorrow after awaiting any contrary input just a little longer. Nemanja Sonero's demonstration of the 3 basics can be traced across to the text source that's within the article - he's a known instructor within the field. In contrast, not only does the present video not show the dance's characteristics but it has no traceable sourcing in regards to authenticity of technique. As such it's OR and I just do not see how PRESERVE concerns are relevant. Thanks again for looking at this and providing clear well-reasoned input. Colin McTroll (talk) 07:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
TJH2018 Plenty long enough waiting for a coherent reason to retain. Colin McTroll (talk) 15:37, 13 April 2017 (UTC)