Talk:Krom Klone

A fact from Krom Klone appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 May 2018 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that members of the Krom Klone (pictured), the all-female bodyguard of the King of Siam, had to take a vow of chastity, though an exception was made for marrying the king?

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Accuracy

I've spent an hour trying to identify what Thai term the title is supposed to have been romanised from in order to reconcile the material with Thai scholarship, but was unable to find anything remotely close. What I did find, however, is that "Ma Ying Taphan" appears to be mentioned in Anna Leonowens' 1872 book The Romance of the Harem. It seems quite probable that all the sources reporting on the title were based on the book, the newspaper article most obviously so. Considering that Leonowen's book is regarded as highly fictionalised, most of the factual accuracy of the cited content is thus cast into doubt.

I strongly suggest renaming the article. The Thai term for the historic female palace security personnel is โขลน (RTGS: khlon, but usually rendered as klone in the few English sources that I could find online, e.g. this book by the National Commission on Women's Affairs). I'm not sure if a descriptive term using Amazon would be more in line with WP:USEENGLISH, but it doesn't feel quite appropriate for this day and age. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:06, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Paul_012. I was struggling to find much in the way of reliable sources but see there are some when I search for Krom Klone. I will look to revise the article and move to a new name when I get a chance. Possibly this evening - Dumelow (talk) 12:28, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the article and rewritten it. It now includes more sources, I have added (sourced) information on the veracity of Leonowen's work and attributed much of the information in the prose rather than stating it as fact. Hopefully this has resolved the accuracy tag (which I have removed) - Dumelow (talk) 21:15, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great work! I've made a small edit, and will try to see if there are Thai sources worth adding. --Paul_012 (talk) 00:50, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great debate

I was impressed by this discussion Victuallers (talk) 15:30, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Potential source

Grand Palace#Inner Court contains passages relevant to this article, which could be copied here. It cites Malcom Smith's A Physician at the Court of Siam, which could be used as a source if someone has access. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:53, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]