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- 1 this and world of warcraft strategy
- 2 Real Name
- 3 Other Sightings
- 4 Ultima Online?
- 5 Link page
- 6 why is it that it isn't mentioned anywhere that the video is STAGED?
- 7 Dave Chappelle connection
- 8 Readded Deleted Content
- 9 Misheard chicken NEEDS SOURCE.
- 10 Quotations MUST be sourced!
- 11 "Aggroed the monsters"?
- 12 Placement of picture
- 13 Time's up/chums up/thumbs up/i'm back
- 14 Rev Leroy Jenkins
- 15 'Leroy Jenkems' and Jenkem
- 16 Voted on by the majority of WoW players?
- 17 Origin of the name
- 18 Was there one "Leeroy Jenkins"?
- 19 He was at Blizzcon 2007
- 20 making chicken
- 21 Leeroy Jenkins on The Real World: Denver
- 22 Racism Revisited
- 23 Leeroy Jenkins card mistake?
- 24 No mention at all about SpikeTV commercials parodying?
- 25 MNIE
- 26 "My Name Is Earl" reference
- 27 Wiki history on this is not correct!
- 28 When did it all begin?
- 29 Article doesn't explain satisfactorily
- 30 Satire?
- 31 I Am Leroy Jenkins
- 32 Flawed Battle Plan
- 33 realm?
- 34 References
- 35 In Popular Culture
- 36 Kilroy Stoneskin
- 37 Key information missing
- 38 Rebecca M. Lee
- 39 World of Warcraft achievement and title
- 40 Relevance?
- 41 Broken links in references
- 42 Dates
- 43 Dead link to Armed Forces Journal Article
- 44 Counter-Strike
- 45 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:02, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Adventure quest (the original battleon)
- 46 Legacy section?
- 47 Use of YouTube videos as references
this and world of warcraft strategy
I feel like to the uninitiated among this sort of culture it isn't very clear whether or not this video is real or merely an amusing actin job. I want to tackle the research on my own, but I am fairly certain there are policy guidelines against that. I want to help, but I am sort of a n00b. Can someone help? Listonosz (talk) 23:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- There are no verifiable sources stating whether the video is fake or real. The best you could do is add a sentence along the lines of "there is some doubt as to whether the video is a candid recording, an exagerrated re-enactment, or scripted", and provide citations. Metao (talk) 01:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Leeroy's real name, Ben Schulz is misspelled as "Schultz" in the article. The correct spelling can be found in the Westword interview linked in the article. http://www.westword.com/2007-03-08/news/the-legend-of-leeroy-jenkins —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 12:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit the top box, but somebody has put the wrong name for who made Leeroy Jenkins up, it's Ben Schultz.. not Larence whatever :S —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
This section has been pared down to the point of idiocy. The number of sitings of this meme which are easily verifiable are countless. Why are none of them listed any longer? 184.108.40.206 01:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
This also brings up an interesting point on what's considered an appropriate reference for a sighting. I just looked up this article because I discovered that my Dragon Fable (Adventure Quest spinoff) level 2 knight character yells "Leeeeeroy Jenkins" as a battle cry. Now, this would be easily verifiable by anyone who cares to make a character and play for half an hour or so, but technically that would be original research. It is mentioned in the game forums, but not by anyone with authority (that I know of). 220.127.116.11 03:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Take a screenshot of it and use that as a reference?Ziiv 02:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
You can add these only if someone with authority has stated that they are a reference, or someone in the media has made the connection, eg "such and such is a reference to the popular internet meme". Moonlight, Dragon Fable, How I Met Your Mother, Mass Effect etc etc have only ever had OR references, which are not valid citations on Wikipedia. Metao (talk) 01:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- You can at least say that many instances of use of this phrase are easily findable on the net, because that's verifiable by any clown who can type. Agreed that naming specific instances other than these most notable major media references gets into original research potentially, but the intent of that rule is not to totally ignore obvious verifiable reality that is so obvious that it requires no analytic capability or argument to agree with.
Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Zombie Ninja Pro-Am
Playstation 2 and Xbox game from Midway, Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, Williams Street: released October/November 2007.
Master shake has a reference or two to Leeroy Jenkins during on-course combat. "Leeroy Jenkins is an asshole" is the one I can remember right now. There may be a second one. Reverend Lee (talk) 03:26, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
In the episode Sonata of the TV series Moonlight, character 'Logan Griffen' played by David Blue shouts "Leeroy Jenkins" as he's about to stop a police van (there was a plan that didn't go well and when no one came up with a plan B he started running towards the van shouting it). 'Logan' is a vampire computer nerd, he's the guy everybody turns to when they need to hack something or get some information. He's known for rarely leaving his basement and is always playing some online game or Guitar Hero, or something. It's obvious that he knew the meme. There are actually videos on YouTube with that scene, that might be good as source, right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kbEah3wgRs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 18:59, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- I have added the reference, there is no way of really citing this though, as its all copyrighted, even linking to the you tube video would be a nono ? Shaiesto (talk) 20:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I was looking through this page today and I noticed that in the opening paragraph, it states that Leeroy was originally an Ultima Online character. Is that actually stated anywhere, or is it just some stealth vandalism that got by other editors?
Also, I corrected some vandalism/incorrect info regarding the name of the person who actually plays Leeroy. Surprised it stayed up for 2 days... --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 22:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- What's going on, is the Ultima thing true? That need to be referenced. I'm going to remove that for now. DarkGhost89 02:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- Personally I can't see how it's relevant even if it is true. It's entirely possible the guy who created the WOW character has also played UO and that he used the same screen name when he did, but that doesn't mean the characters actually have anything to do with each other. I've used the same name in RPG's for about 5 years (oddly enough starting in UO) but the similarlity begins and ends there. Danikat (talk) 17:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm new to wikipedia and i found a link to the REAL Leeroy Jenkins character info on the World of Warcraft site.  Don't know if you need the "PALS FOR LIFE" Guild page.  Hope this helps. Tdude8 04:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
why is it that it isn't mentioned anywhere that the video is STAGED?
Agreed! I came to this page from a cracked.com article debunking staged vids.
The text relating to "Leroy" is:
In fact, when they first released the video on the WoW forums they acknowledged it was staged and only changed the story later when the video took on a life of its own.
Oddly enough, there is a link in the Cracked article to THIS wikipedia page to support their assertion that the vid was staged. Clearly the corroborating text (if there was any) was removed many revisions ago.
Did 5 more minutes of research. Found a link IN AN EARLIER VERSION OF THIS PAGE to this discussion on the WoW wiki: http://www.wowwiki.com/Leeroy_Jenkins_%28video%29
Read the section "Another perspective on the movie" for a review of all the reasons why THIS IS A STAGED VIDEO!
- It isn't documented because there are no reliably-sourced citations stating it was staged. The former discussions were removed because they were not cited. There are probably some citations for documenting the controversy, though, so feel free to add something about that. But you can only repeat what the third-party sources say. It isn't particularly relevant that it is staged, however. The page is about the Leeroy phenomena/meme, not the video. Metao (talk) 03:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
There is nothing in this article that links to evidence that "The guild have since admitted that it was planned, but that the idea for the video was based on a true event." There is a link to an article that references the wiki page--this wiki page--that SUGGESTS that it might be faked. That is the epitome of circular reasoning. Statement removed. Find a real source or get over it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:30, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Again someone posted that it is staged and cited an article that just SUGGESTS it. I'm changing the statement.--126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:57, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Dave Chappelle connection
Chappelle's show featured a character known as Leeroy Jenkins, which was the inspiration for the WoW video. Harshwordsfail 19:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion: Actually, it's very likely that Chappelle was referencing Flip Wilson's character of the same name, who was a soldier Wilson served with who Wilson described as a heavy drug user. This routine can be heard on the album "Pot Luck". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Readded Deleted Content
I apologize if my actions was not acceptable, but I believe the deleted content I added back have a place in the article. It is not OR which the other content was removed for. The content readded counts as a "pop culture references" which is meritable to be kept (except the YTMND perhaps).
They were deleted for a lack of sources, but they can be referenced (i.e. the webcomic/ comic references can be liked to the comic or newspaper archive). The Kilroy Jenkins is harder to reference, but it does exist, and counts as pop culture.
DarkGhost89 03:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Misheard chicken NEEDS SOURCE.
It should be obvious to any native English speaker that Mr. Jenkins' last line in the video is "At least I ain't chicken," but it appears that is not the case. I suspect that those who are hearing other things here are simply listening on deficient speakers or headphones, but it is a difficult phenomenon to explain.
While other readings with fanciful explanations based on the acquisition of poultry are entertaining forum fodder, we cannot in good faith reproduce a reading of this line -- either the obvious "ain't chicken" or a misheard rendition dealing with food -- that is not backed up by a reliable source. —BurnDownBabylon 22:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- ENTITIES! Kindly engage in analysis of the following soundbyte from the Leeroy Jenkins fansite bearing the contested statement sans distracting random guy yelling something first. http://www.leeroyjenkins.net/soundbites/chicken.wav
- To mine ears it says "'least I 'ave chicken." I am...curious how others parse it. 184.108.40.206 17:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)AvatarOfPants
- Please see the following link for a transcript: http://www.sublimeparadigm.com/blog/leeroy-jenkins-transcript.htmlTrevorRC 03:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Actually it's perfectly obvious to anyone with functioning ears that the line is HAVE chicken. People who hear it otherwise are subconsciously trying to make sense of a line that makes no sense otherwise. That is unless you know the background, which has been documented. PUBLISHED SOURCES, including an interview with the player involved, discuss ACTUAL CHICKEN being consumed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) 00:52, 18 November 2007
Going by the video posted on youtube its quite clear he says 'Atleast I have chicken' - He tries to say it once at 2:49 but is interupted, then says it again. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zll_jAKvarw —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calexus (talk • contribs) 11:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- "At least I have chicken." is obviously what he is saying.
Quotations MUST be sourced!
I'm looking at the history for this page and it's insane. We can't even agree on a simple direct quotation that is the very central focus of the article. We need reliable sources for both the "chums/guns" quote and the chicken quote at the end (I don't know whether he says he "ain't chicken" or "has chicken" but there must be an official transcript somewhere).--TexasDex 15:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Missing quote from when Ulduar came out in Wrath of the Lich King
Meanwhile, absolute drivel like "When Ulduar came out in Wrath of the Lich King," is allowed it to sit without an actual quote nor any reference to who Ulduar is nor what Wrath of the Lich King is (I don't know either). No links to articles on this character or game or what "came out" means (was Ulduar gay? Hmm).
"Aggroed the monsters"?
Huh? Can someone translate? --18.104.22.168 03:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- "Aggroed" in game terms means to attract or to garner the attention of, typically the DAMAGE of. To aggro a group of enemies is to get them to attack you, to draw them to you. TrevorRC 03:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Placement of picture
While the card is a great lead in image, because it is a 'fair use' I believe it can only be used to illustrate the reference to the card itself - not Leeroy Jenkins in general. 22.214.171.124 01:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Your claim has merit. Can you think of another good lead image, though? Perhaps a screencap from the youtube video? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 03:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Time's up/chums up/thumbs up/i'm back
After nearly a year of not looking at this page, I can't believe people are still arguing about what Leeroy did (or didn't) say. This issue was has been argued for far too long so I propose a compromise; I have amended Leeroys line to read "Lets do this", and left out the whole "im back/times up" section. Maybe if the line isn't there, we can all stop arguing about it --Crais459 12:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yet at this moment there is barely a reference to the original movie. People can't understand what all of this is about if the original movie isn't explained. Therefore I believe a History section should be included. Reflective Hare (talk) 19:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Rev Leroy Jenkins
I think that perhaps the name itself might be a reference to an evangelical preacher who tours the US with a tent. My former step father gave the guy $100. The guys a total douche. Rev. Leroy Jenkins --126.96.36.199 18:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
There's a breaking news story now about Jenkem, a hallucinogenic drug made from fermenting human feces and urine, and part of the story is a leaked memo from a Florida sheriff's department listing aliases for this substance. One of the alleged street names is "Leroy Jenkems." __meco 10:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I wanted to comment on this for a sec, does anyone agree that the fact the "Leroy Jenkins" is being used as a slang term to describe a new [homemade] drug that is starting to make it's way across the country? It may be notable given the fact that this name isn't just used to describe a fictional character anymore. To make a long story short, I would like to include this in the article, possibly under the pop culture section or establish a new section for slang usage. Wikiport (talk) 05:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Voted on by the majority of WoW players?
"Voted on by the majority of WoW players, it was confirmed that this character is only a "WoW Legend" among the media. He is considered by the majority as a 'scrub', a 'noob', and generally a pretty bad player."
I realise this paragraph has a "citation needed" but I severely doubt any such citation exists, being that WoW has long had many millions of players (now approaching ten million). I find it extremely difficult to believe that anywhere near a majority of players voted on any subject.
- You're right. It is also poorly written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 11:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Origin of the name
If anyone hasn't noticed, the origin of the name Leeroy Jenkins might come from a TV Evangelist. No, I'm not kidding. I was watching the History Channel, and there was a Televangelist named LeRoy Jenkins. He's the guy who sells "Miracle Water." It's pronounced "Le" as in "lead" and then "roy," different than "Leeroy." Anyways, thought I'd stick taht up... seeing as Leeroy was a paladin... LeRoy sells healing waters... I dunno, seems like that's where he got the name.
Link: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/3585/state-orders-evangelist-to-stop-selling-miracle-water —Preceding unsigned comment added by IronCrow (talk • contribs) 08:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Was there one "Leeroy Jenkins"?
What I want to know if there was one, and only true one, "Leeroy Jenkins." Was there a real person, or was it just a concept? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fusion7 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
He was at Blizzcon 2007
Chicken isnt mentioned in the entire video (besides Leeroy's last line) how do you guys know he was making it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
he wasn't "making" chicken but early in the video it states Leeroy went AFK to get food. this happens nearly the same time the battleplan is drawn up which makes leeroys sudden charge when he gets back more funny in that he never heard the original plan. of course no real raid group charges/plans unless everyone is on and ready to go but for a joke video its legit.220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:27, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Leeroy Jenkins on The Real World: Denver
Would someone include and cite this popular culture reference in the article?
A cast member of the show The Real World: Denver by the name of Tyrie stated that one of his alter egos is Leroy Jenkins. The following can be found under the heading "Full Summary" at the MTV.com Real World: Denver Episode 4 summary:
"Just as these housemates had begun to figure each other out, a night of drinking introduces them to a whole new set of personalities. Even as they're getting ready to head out, Tyrie clues Davis in on his inebriation alter-egos -- which include the sexual Dark Kent and Leroy Jenkins, who he describes as an "Incredible Hulk.""
Here is the link to the mtv.com epiosode summary: http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/realworld-season18/episode/episode.jhtml?episodeId=104492
The full episode summary given in the link clearly states that Tyrie has an alter ego named Leroy Jenkins. The statement can be easily found by clicking read more after opening the link or simply scrolling down to the "Full Summary" heading. The website is also from a reputable source, MTV.COM, MTV should know what aired on their network.
I see no reason not to include this along with the other popular culture references, as it is easily verifiable, given the link and directions provided.
I wonder if any of the comments in the "Racism?" section (above) were posted by people of color. My guess is probably not. But that's not important - in the online realm, reason and logic alone should guide these discussions. Unfortunately, I see little of that. Only one poster cited evidence - an article which states the following:
"One forty-ounce-malt-liquor-fueled night when he was getting his electrical-engineering degree, [...] Ben and his friends decided to create the most culturally inappropriate character names imaginable for a bunch of white guys playing video games. Out of Ben's inebriated mouth tumbled "Leeroy Jenkins," a moniker so amusing that he decided to use it for his characters in assorted games -- and, ultimately, World of Warcraft."
We can't simply ask Wikipedians of color whether Leeroy Jenkins is offensive to them. For better or worse, that's not how it works here. What we can and should do is examine Ben Schulz's comment in light of the above quote.
As I see it, Schultz chose the name "Leeroy Jenkins" because of the absurdity (in his mind) of attaching a "black" name to his white avatars. The intonation of his in-game exclamation and later response to other players strongly suggest that he attempts to convey his idea of a "black" persona as well. If we can agree on this much, then it follows that Schultz's belief that stating "at least I have chicken" fits a "black" persona is, indeed, racist. sæ (talk) 21:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
- No, we should't examine anything. Thats what WP:NOR is all about. We can state that the name was chosen has a culturally inappropriate name, but we cannot speculate as to why that was the case. Metao (talk) 01:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- I think you might be corect. It seems that the production of scholarly sources simply cannot keep up with an information superhighway in constant need of self-analysis. Given the key role this site plays in internet culture, this is highly problematic. I consider the talk page to be part of the article, and that anybody researching anything vaguely contested should come here... The scholars of digital culture who are likely to write to sources that we are allowed to cite certainally will! If we think an issue matters, then it is good practise to discuss it here, as it is only one click away from the main article, and so that as soon as the pending scholarly source is published, we can stick it right into the main one, having already done the discussion. Courtesy of Gavla 04:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Leeroy Jenkins card mistake?
I play the WoW card game and I know the Leeroy Jenkins card, but I have no idea what the article means when it says you'll only get a "fifth of an attack" with it. Pretty sure this is just nonsense - there is no rule like this in the card game, and the citation certainly does not support the claim made in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 8 October 2008
- Is that any better? Also, please sign your posts using four tildes (~). Metao (talk) 07:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
No mention at all about SpikeTV commercials parodying?
These three videos commercials played on Spike TV, before the date mentioned at the end of the commercial. Unfortunately, I do not remember which year. Could someone gather and put up the information on this? I'm a bit busy. Ulgar (talk) 00:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- The mentions have been there and were removed due to being unreferenced. Metao (talk) 01:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- You might try http://www.lunabean.com/news/20061207_spike_tv_leeroy.php as a likely source. Metao (talk) 01:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Is it possible to add that Randy in "My Name Is Earl" shouts "Leeroy Jenkins!" before jumping into an angry mob of people in the 8th episode of this season called "Little Bad Voodoo Brother"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tasteherflesh (talk • contribs) 05:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- Not unless you can cite a source to prove that it happened and was a Warcraft reference. Metao (talk) 00:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
"My Name Is Earl" reference
Did anybody else catch it in a recent "My Name Is Earl" episode (the Halloween one), where Randy leaps out of the trailer to take on the crowd, and shouts "Leeeeeroy Jenkins!"?
Wiki history on this is not correct!
Who the heck created the "history" section of Leeroy Jenkins. You guys are completely off base on where this came from. This existed back in the EQ days. The first time I "experienced" a Leeroy Jenkins was while I was a GM for Verant right before the Ruins of Kunark came out. I don't know what it means in WoW, but back then, it meant that some SOB would go into a zone, usually a dungeon area, and run around creating a large train to the zone. This usually resulted in anyone that was en route to the zone would get killed. As well as anyone who would zone in, as there were usually 10-20 mobs who would jump you as soon as you entered. We would usually get endless petitions about it. It became popular and people did it non stop for several weeks, until Verant instituted new rules specifically for this.
Whoever is claiming he was the first to do it, is either outright lying, not aware that it existed beforehand, or (and I seriously doubt this) is the originator of it from EQ. It did not come from WoW. I've likewise seen this in SWG, DAoC, and several other MMORPG that pre-date WoW. How do you go about disputing the validity of a wiki page? Because this one is in total error of the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuki255 (talk • contribs) 02:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- He's not training, he's wrecking an instanced raid by standing in the idiot zone. Moreover, this article doesn't claim that he's the first anything. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 02:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
The problem is, the /shout LEEEERRRRROOOYYYYYY JEEEENNNNKKIIINNNSS thing was done in EQ. To quote the wiki page:
The Internet phenomenon started with the release of a video clip online to the World of Warcraft forums. The video was released by the World of Warcraft Alliance player guild "PALS FOR LIFE" on the Laughing Skull PvP realm. It features a group of players discussing a detailed battle strategy while one of their number, Leeroy, is away from his computer. Their plan is ruined when Leeroy returns and, ignorant of the strategy, immediately charges headlong into battle shouting his own name as a battle cry. His companions rush to stop him, and his subsequent actions ruin the meticulous plan and the encounter ends in failure for the group. His response to the other players' reactions, "at least I have chicken", was also much parodied.
The article eludes that this had not happened before, and that it all started with WoW. That is simply not true. The video that started the meme might be from that game, but that whole set of circumstances came from EQ. (As I stated, I was a GM at the time, and the player who did it was eventually suspended from playing the game.) Perhaps some clarification on the main wiki page is in order, because, as I stated before this predates WoW by several years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuki255 (talk • contribs) 02:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Having played EQ and WOW both for a good long time, that's a new one on me. Got any sources to back that claim? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 02:29, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
When were you playing EQ? I'm sure I could verify with multiple sources from previous guildies, players and people I knew from EQ, SWG, and DAoC. If it's a new one on you, Im inclined to think you weren't playing back before the RoK came out. Not to sound incendiary, but as a GM, I saw this happen on multiple servers. It was an in-game "meme" so to speak, and not a good one if you got caught in the train. It lost popularity for a while because Verant started doling out bans because of it. I laughed the first time I heard it in SWG because I had thought people had forgotten about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuki255 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
The coup de gras would be tracking down some of my previous co workers at Verant to see if they can remember when it was we first starting seeing this. That one's going to be tough though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuki255 (talk • contribs) 02:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I remember when training became actionable. (I also remember Sullon Zek and fansy.) I just don't remember the name Leeroy Jenkins or Leroy Jenkins attached to it. Do you have anywhere on the internet where the two were mentioned together before the WOW video? It's a far cry from a reliable source, but it's at least better than complete hearsay. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 02:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm working on it. I can't believe I'm considering giving up my night at the club to verify this. Heck, I took a screen shot of it back in my SWG days (not even a month after release.) If I can find it, I think that would be proof, assuming it has a timestamp. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuki255 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Well, we'll see what can be found and start from there. A screenshot or a fansite isn't much of a source, but it's a start. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 03:09, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Found this. Not sure on the date, but it looks like SWG before they made the massive changes that utterly caused the game to fail. asomekonne.ytmnd.com/ The changes were before WoW if I recall correctly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuki255 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Hmm after doing some comparisons, its possible the YTMND could be a screenshot after the combat changes were made. Too tough to say, so consider me striking that from the record. I'm going out, but I'm going to make it a point to track down solid proof that the Leeroy Jenkins thing existed well well before WoW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuki255 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Because the history section was deleted the whole page has become misleading. Someone who hasn't heard of Leeroy Jenkins before doesn't understand what this article is about. Too bad if WoW wasn't the first but it is still a very famous movie on the internet. Can an (edited) version of the history be put in the article? Reflective Hare (talk) 20:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
When did it all begin?
- Well, I recall the original thread on the WoW forums, and I still have the .rar version that I downloaded then. It says it was last modified 5/13/2005 so that might be a good indicator. The file inside the rar says 5/11/2005 so that could be when they made it, and I just downloaded it two days later. Eldaran (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Article doesn't explain satisfactorily
The article implies that LJ is a character in the game, but he is not. LJ is apparently a fictional game player - the in-game character did not have the monicker "LJ", but the voice of the person playing him did. This isn't made clear in the article either. In fact, no mention is made at all of who voiced LJ in the video. (In effect, which "actor" played the part.) This article is poorly written at present.22.214.171.124 (talk) 13:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- That's because it has never been confirmed as a joke/faked, although mountains of evidence suggest that it is. Metao (talk) 01:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I Am Leroy Jenkins
About eight months ago I posted a video of a character I improvised on youtube.com. I have never heard of Leeroy Jenkins and therefore would like to enjoy the happy-coincedental hits to my video. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Flawed Battle Plan
I don't want to make the video summary overly complicated, but it bothers me that it doesn't mention anything about all the blatant flaws in the group's plan and makes it look like their wipe was entirely Leeroy's fault. For example, they attempt to use Divine Intervention, a skill that makes a player invulnerable and incapacitated on their group's mages so that the mages can attack with impunity. During the fighting, one of the mage characters yells out that he can't attack or move, and wonders if he's having technical difficulties. The group then notices the obvious flaw in their plan and the leader groans.
So for example, the article says that Leeroy's actions ruin the group's plan. That's incorrect. Their plan was successfully executed but it failed in its own right.
the article used to say "The video was released by the World of Warcraft Alliance player guild "PALS FOR LIFE" on the Laughing Skull PvP realm" and now the realm part's gone. WHY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
- the name of the realm means nothing to non-players, and is therefore unencyclopedic trivia. Metao (talk) 01:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
http://www.wow.com/2009/10/29/leeroy-related-extras-on-recent-dvd-releases/#continued Metao (talk) 07:50, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
In Popular Culture
- Seeing as no one can control the cruft creeping into this article, what say ye to removing the pop culture section altogether? かんぱい！ Scapler (talk) 07:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
There's a reference of Leeroy Jenkins in the CORPG "Guild Wars" named Kilroy Stoneskin. See the wiki from this game for further information: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Kilroy_Stonekin . May be added to the page. Greetings! 184.108.40.206 (talk) 08:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Key information missing
I'm a reader and user of Wikipedia, who came here because I did not understand a reference to 'Leeroy Jenkins' on another website. I have read this article and still do not understand the reference.
I gather from the article that Leeroy Jenkins is a WOW character known for some kind of obnoxious behaviour, shown in a linked video. I infer that this includes yelling his name, annoying other people, and waving a chicken leg, but all of this is guesswork. The article does not actually tell me what I came here to learn. Instead, I presumably have to go watch this video, since the article has failed to provide core useful information that has meaning to a non-expert in this area. I am not even certain from the article that the behaviour in the video is the actual core information that will explain the original reference I came here to clarify.
Please improve this article. Begin by recognising that people who read articles don't usually start out knowing the subject. Thank you.
- Hi LOwen, I took a look at the article history and it turns out someone vandalised the article earlier this month by removing the section that actually explains what Leeroy Jenkins did. I've now restored that section - it should address the issue of "yes but what did he DO?" Thanks for pointing out the problem! A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:33, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Rebecca M. Lee
Thunder Princess Pink plunder is a player closely associated with the above subject, Leroy Jenkins. She was the primary designer of his failed operational tactics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 12:18, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
World of Warcraft achievement and title
Is it worth noting in the article that it's now possible for players to earn the achievement "Leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy!" and the character title (where title is a name appended to the character's normal name) "Jenkins" by killing a specific number of game characters within a time limit? These were added to the game following the appearance on the internet of the Leeroy Jenkins video, and more specifically with the introduction of the 'Wrath of the Litch King' expansion pack.
The achievement and title are earned by killing 50 Rookery Whelps within a time limit of 15 seconds. The task is attempted within the dungeon 'Blackrock Spire', the same dungeon that features in the original video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theberengersniper (talk • contribs) 16:24, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry but the link in the reference for the addition I just made (Dog With a Blog) is broken and I don't know how to fix it. I see there are at least a couple of other ones messed up, too. Any experts out there that can clean them up? Nklatt (talk) 17:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
In this article, this interesting and valuable point " The meme spread further in 2009, when the Armed Forces Journal published an article titled "Let's Do This!: Leeroy Jenkins and the American Way of Advising". The article, by Capt. Robert M Chamberlain, links Jenkins to the American approach to advising Iraq." is a reference to this article: http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2009/06/4036672/ this link is dead. The article appears to be copied on this forum: http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/middle-east-north-africa/52891-let-s-do-leeroy-jenkins-american-way-advising.html but I can't confirm that this is the exact same article. What should be done about this?18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
This article is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
I clearly remember this being a thing in Counter-Strike in 2000-2001
It used to be a hopeless battle cry when committing an act of brain-dead bravado, but it has evolved to have different meanings since then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 23:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- Please submit a reliable source to establish your claim. --Izno (talk) 00:13, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
126.96.36.199 (talk) 06:02, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Adventure quest (the original battleon)
LEEEEEEROOOOOY JEEEEENNNKKKKIIIIIINNNNNSSSSS is actually in AQ far before counterstrike AND warcraft just to be correct... this was in vamprook sprye quest Before vamprook sprye became guardian which was in 2005 but I had played it years beforehand and I'm almost positive it started with a farmer with absurd strength
I think this article should have a "legacy" section or have its "Reaction" section re-written to incorporate what could be considered legacy (ex. parodies made long after the original video). (Here's an example of a more recent parody.) The current "Reaction" section only has what occurred soon after the video was uploaded, whereas a "Legacy" section would have content that was created quite a bit after the fact. A merged "Reaction/ Legacy" section would have both. -- Gestrid (talk) 06:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Use of YouTube videos as references
Some seem to disagree with this. Why? YouTube links are the exact content that needs to be sourced. I do not see the problem. As for copyright, short videos of film/TV references are protected under fair use. This is a non-issue. --188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:44, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
- It's a problem because of our user-generated content policy, which says Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is... generally unacceptable. — Gestrid (talk) 00:56, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
- The only (likely) way this wouldn't apply is if it were from an official, verified YouTube channel (a YouTube channel with the checkmark next to the channel name). — Gestrid (talk) 01:03, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
- While I can appreciate that, the fact remains that my references are the source material, and you won't get a better reference. Things like trivia will only be cited through user-submitted media, because the copyright holders for the media in question have no reason to host the references themselves. (Keep in mind it is fair use to upload short clips as I said.) I'm not sure how a verified icon on YouTube could be counted as the be-all and end-all of a legitimate source. Let's be honest: a lot of verified channels host content that is questionable in nature, and them being verified doesn't change the fact a channel doesn't hold the copyright, so I see it as a moot point. For instance, would a video reference of PewDiePie screaming while playing something particular (to be referenced) in a video game be regarded as more legitimate than a video just showing the reference alone from an unpopular and unverified channel? I hope you can see what I mean.
- I wish I could see things the way long-time editors here do, but it comes across as awfully anal and I think time could be better spent on things that matter. It ruins the fun and discourages smaller occasional contributors who mean no harm. I just spent a little time referencing what is literally the source, and it's useful information on Leeroy Jenkins that simply adds to the article. I don't see why editors should wipe that away for the sake of something so draconian.
- 184.108.40.206 (talk) 02:01, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
- It's helpful to read the relevant guidelines at MOS:POPCULT. Here's the bigger issue, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a compendium of trivia. That something is referenced by a TV show or whatever is trivia. If instead you can find a source that discusses the subject's (in this case the Leeroy Jenkins meme) use as a reference in various media then that would be encyclopedic -- it would help readers understand how the subject has been represented in media at large instead of just being a list of occurrences.
- Following on that, we cannot just list things and expect readers to figure out the significance. We must provide the explanation that we summarize from an existing reliable source that we then supply a citation for. None of what you added back in meets any of these requirements.
- Further, some of these are copyright violations which cannot allow to stay. Period. Yes, there are fair use exemptions possible but since your edit doesn't meet any other standards required by Wikipedia these are just straight up clear violations (WP:COPYVIO) of the policy against linking to copyright violations. I've removed what I think are the clear copyright violations (left a few in that do not appear to be copyright violations). We need to have very good arguments in line with Wikpedia policy and guidelines before allowing those links. The others need good arguments in line with Wikipedia policy and guidelines in order to justify keeping them here. As it stands they appear to be unencyclopedic content, trivia, according to Wikipedia guidelines and should be removed as well. SQGibbon (talk) 19:34, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
- We can link to copyrighted material as long as it is all properly licensed from the owner of the copyright and/or the website with the material. Heck, pretty much everything linked to from Wikipedia is copyrighted, the question is whether it's properly licensed. So that's what I meant by stressing the copyright violation aspect -- if the material isn't licensed for distribution on Youtube then it is a copyright violation and we cannot link to it (except possibly under a fair use exemption -- which I don't think has been established in this case). SQGibbon (talk) 01:13, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
- A lot of articles (rather than videos) linked to on Wikipedia are from websites where a verification of licensing cannot be easily attained. Furthermore, a lot of articles link to copyrighted videos from an unverified source. I don't see how this is so different. But fair enough as rules are rules. It seems contributing to Wikipedia is always an uphill battle, but thanks anyway.
- 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:19, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- The thing about Wikipedia is that there are millions of articles, many of which haven't been seen or touched in years. Many of the articles were either last edited before many of our rules came about or were edited by an ignorant user who didn't know better (much like happened with me when I first registered an account) and nobody noticed it for one reason or another. — Gestrid (talk) 05:09, 15 October 2016 (UTC)