Talk:List of Juilliard School people

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List structure, content[edit]

Why are alumni and students separated? As far as I know, the notable students have all graduated... what makes them not alumni?

Should "noted current faculty" be repeated in "notable teachers?"

Agreed. I am going to merge. --Michael Johnson 05:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The problem is, not all of the "Noted Alumni" are graduates. To list two right off the top of my head, both Robin Williams and Lady Gaga never finished at Juilliard, Lady Gaga never even actually attended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.168.132 (talk) 10:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Why are some people that are not notable on this list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.79.104.95 (talk) 06:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I that's one of the greatest problems of wikipedia. Why are they listed? Why are there articles about non-notable persons? Some people don't understand that Wikipedia aims to be an encyclopedia and that not every person, not every professional musician graduated from a good music school and active in the music profession has a place here.--Karljoos (talk) 08:10, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Order[edit]

Is there a good reason why they're listed alphabetically by given name rather than surname? In any list of names other than Wikipedia's internal lists (which are treated as a text stream), it's surely the surname that's the most important element of the name. -- JackofOz (talk) 01:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I rather suspect a bad reason ;-) Another way of ordering is chronological, but by last name seems fine. It would be useful to have dates of tenure for teachers. Sparafucil (talk) 19:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I reordered the names by surname and separated musicians from dancers/actors.--Karljoos (talk) 20:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey, but were is Nathaniel Anthony Ayers?? He diserves to be in this list, he´s got an incredible story, and he´s subject of many columns, a book and a movie. He attended Juilliard, so then, where i his name, I don´t see it, please write it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.58.205.107 (talk) 15:28, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Alumni without an article[edit]

I suggest that only alumni with a Wikipedia article are included in the list. This is a list of NOTABLE ALUMNI, and if a former student is not notable enough for an article then is also not notable for this list.--Karljoos (talk) 14:46, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Some notable alumni could just not have articles yet, and I could see a case being made for some persons of marginal notability being worth noting in this list, even if a separate article is not called for; so I hate to see that as a hard-and-fast criterion. But you're right, the lack of criteria 1) leads to completely unnotable alumni being included; and 2) makes it a good breeding ground for vandalism or misinformation.
I think that any alumnus with sufficient notability to merit an article merits an entry here. I would suggest that, to be included, a name should either 1) point to an article on the individual (or on a small group with which the individual is closely associated; the Ahn Trio article is an example here); or 2) be supported by a footnote pointing to a reliable source showing both the Juilliard connection and some degree of notability. TJRC (talk) 15:39, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Your suggestion sounds great.--Karljoos (talk) 16:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
I have added a tag for original research for this problem. At a minimum each unreferenced red-link should be marked as citation needed. Fæ (talk)
After adding to the lead to fall in line with WP:LSC and having marked items as needing citations for more than a couple of weeks, I shall remove unsourced items in accordance with policy. (talk) 09:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

David L Cook citation[edit]

I have my suspicions about David L Cook ever going to Julliard. His own webpage doesn't acknowledge it and neither does his Wikipedia article. In fact the only place I can find that says that he's ever been to Julliard is the Wikipedia page that lists alumni. Can someone find a link to verify this?

Captainspirou (talk) 03:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Fictional people[edit]

So there's a new subsection "fictional people". Because Juilliard is the best-known well-known school of its type, hundreds of films, books, TV shows and stories feature someone who wants to go to Juilliard, claims went to Juilliard. I say we delete this section. This is a list of people, not of characters. TJRC (talk) 00:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Katherine Thomas AKA "The Great Kat"[edit]

Katherine Thomas AKA "The Great Kat" is listed with a citation as an interview with herself. From my understanding there is no record of her ever attending. Can this be fixed with actual proof or deleted?? 67.253.99.254 (talk)DieUberMensch (talk)

I'll look for sourcing better to your liking. I'm curious as to where your "understanding" comes from... Do you have a source for this claim?
In the meantime, this is not acceptable. It is unsourced and, essentially, claims that she is lying, a BLP problem. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:27, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
I've now sourced it to SPIN Magazine. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:38, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

sourcing an interview with her is not a reliable source. I'd not say I'm accusing her of lying, but with all that I've found so far I will question her "facts". I protest and call into question the validity of this entry. DieUberMensch (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:27, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

As this issue is already being discussed at Talk:The_Great_Kat#Juillard, please discuss it there. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:42, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Need help slotting a new one into the list[edit]

I'm not sure which section is the best fit for Beebe Freitas, the subject of a brand new article, please help. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:38, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello! In my opinion, I think the music category will be the best, since she performed frequently with notable musicians with organ and piano. I'm a little hesitant because she is the head of music at Hawaii Opera Theatre, but considering that there are more information in a position of a musician (what she performed, who she performed with, etc.) I think the music category will be okay. What do you guys think?Poeticfeelings (talk) 08:58, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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Faubion Bowers[edit]

Someone wrote to Wikimedia suggesting that Faubion Bowers should be added. I think that makes sense but I don't know which section.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:28, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

In the music division, as a piano student. He wrote extensively on Scriabin, and when he mentions the Juilliard School in his biography of that composer, it's in the context of Scriabin's tenth piano sonata. Definitive proof is on page ix of The Man Who Saved Kabuki: Faubion Bowers and Theatre Censorship in Occupied Japan. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:21, 20 May 2017 (UTC)